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February 1, 2013, 12:40 AM | #1 |
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Hornady Sizing Die Problem!
I have the Hornady Lock n Load AP press and I also have the hornady dies. I am working on 223 rounds and I ran accross a problem. I am loading the 223 rounds with the Hornady SP with cannelure bullets. The problem I have is that when I seat the bullet it slides up and down and I can spin the bullet where the cannelure is. So it seems that I am not crimping it enough...... So you would probably say it is my seating die that I am having problems with..
Here is the thing... I just bought some once fired Remington brass and this is the description... "All cases are fired and have been deprimed, cleaned "INSIDE" and out, full length resized (checked with Dillon case gage), trimmed to length, primer pocket swaged, and polished" So it says it is resized so I DID NOT put my sizing die. I started putting brass in and ran some through the press. When i seated the bullets they were tight and couldn't move the bullet. So that is why I am saying it might be my sizing die.... Can somebody help me?? I use Imperial Sizing Wax or Hornady One Shot Case Lube in the aerosol can. Let me know if you understand my problem or need more info.. |
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Are you resizing that brass with your full length sizing die? What happens when you try to seat a bullet in one of those cases without using a sizing die on it first? |
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February 1, 2013, 07:58 AM | #3 |
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So it says it is resized so I DID NOT put my sizing die. I started putting brass in and ran some through the press. When i seated the bullets they were tight and couldn't move the bullet"
Sounds like your dies,,Or I'm reading wrong ; ) PS Try another Die Y/D
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February 1, 2013, 10:03 AM | #4 |
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If I'm reading this correctly, you have the following problems:
1. When you use your Hornady die, the projectiles can be moved by hand (spun, moved up or down in the case) - basically there is no neck tension on the projectile. 2. When you used the bought brass without sizing, there was adequate neck tension? Suggestions: 1. Mic the expander ball on your Hornady die and make sure it is within spec. It almost sounds like the ball is oversized. 2. Take one of your sized cases from your Hornady die and mic the outside diameter of the neck after you run it through the die. Then mic the inside diameter of the case mouth. If one or both of those is out of spec, you probably have a die that Hornady needs to replace. 3. Just as a general rule, I would NEVER rely on brass that has been "resized" before I procured it to be actually resized. Never. Not once. You are taking a gamble with that. |
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How do you have your sizing die adjusted?
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February 1, 2013, 10:19 AM | #6 |
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"When i seated the bullets they were tight and couldn't move the bullet."
You may be over crimping. |
February 1, 2013, 10:43 AM | #7 | |
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Maybe some of it was, which maybe why some bullets have a nice tight fit. The next time you buy once fired brass, you size, trim all of the cases, in your dies, regardless of what the seller said he did with it. And use small base dies on 223 rounds to be used in gas guns. Many of those once fired military rounds were fired in machine guns which have chambers so large, they use sausages as headspace gages.
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Guys, his own brass is having the trouble.
The brass he bought works fine, that's why he thinks it's the sizing die.
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February 1, 2013, 12:20 PM | #9 |
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Please post the OD of the expander ball and the ID of the case neck before seating.
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[QUOTE]Please post the OD of the expander ball and the ID of the case neck before seating.[QUOTE]
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For a .223, the expander ball should be in the .224" to .222" range I would think. It should most definitely not be any larger than .224" as that is the projectile diameter.
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I'd screw it until it touches, then about 1/8 more of a turn before locking the die in position. It is highly doubtful it makes any difference, but always start with everything set the way the MFR instructs. |
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The Full Length sizing die needs to be adjusted correctly. The correct expander ball diameter is .222"
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February 1, 2013, 07:51 PM | #16 |
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Try screwing the sizing die in 1/4 turn more at a time. It may take some cam over on the press to get the brass sized enough. You are correct in the that it is your sizing die. Not the seating die.
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As a simple test I would remove the decapping pin from the sizing die and run a few cases through the die. Then try some bullets to see if you have enough neck tension. If you do then your expander is too large. If not your sizing die is too large.
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Before calling the maker screw the darn die down another quarter turn. Lube a case. Run it through again. See if you can push a bullet in with your finger pressure alone. If yes then call them.
If you call them. While you at the press on the phone with them. They will say screw the die down a quarter turn and try it. Repeat till three quarters of a turn. If the problem is then not solved they will mail you another sizing die.
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