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Cook County Violence Tax
Cook County politicians are considering adding a “Violence tax” to the sale of guns and ammunition to help reduce gun violence and offset the cost. These costs include medical cost of the uninsured shooting victim and the cost of incarceration of criminals.
I fear we could see more of this as Politicians look for ways to implement stealth gun control and to close their budget gaps. The average citizen might support the 2A, but may not really be concerned about increased taxes on guns, ammunition and reloading supplies. http://www.suntimes.com/15644719-761...mmunition.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...guns-and-ammo/
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Backwards approach to the stated problems. Undercover approach to gun control.
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I find it interesting that one of the proponents admits that its not actually about or likely to generate substantial revenue but is a form of violence reduction. One would think they would stick to the revenue opportunity song and dance.
I would be interested to see the report that states 1/3 of guns recovered on the streets came from suburban gun shops. I wonder if that is guns used by and possessed by criminals, or includes guns possessed by criminals that were recently stolen and recovered. Either way I find the initial statement to be misleading as the suburbs are the closest place for legal Chicago firearm owners to purchase or receive firearms. When I lived in Chicago I usually stocked up on ammo at Cabela's in IN, since it was much cheaper than buying ammo at the range even including the gas to get there. |
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So if one has paid the tax are they then entitled to commit violence? I pay income and sales tax, social security, medicare, etc, which entitles me to certain benefits derived from those taxes - should the same be true for this violence tax?
Sounds about as useful as nipples on body armor - about what I'd expect from politicians
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Out of town shops selling guns or ammo have got to like it.
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October 10, 2012, 12:28 PM | #6 |
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a prostitution tax for condoms,
a burglary tax on lock pick sets and crow bars, a speeding tax for all sports cars, an addiction tax for all narcotic prescriptions, I could go on, but you see my point. What kind of reasoning leads to taxing of a legal product because of its potential illegal use? I'm baffled by their actions.Is this the same reasoning behind limiting the size of a sugared drink containers? Maybe we need a cholesterol tax on donuts too. |
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Call me sensitive but I find it offensive that certain people still can't get it through their thick well to do skulls that legal gun ownership; especially in Illinois where you must go through a background check to get a FOID card has about as much to do with gang related violent crime as home ownership has to do with arson related house fires. You do not tax home ownership to pay for the cost of arson investigations and the treatment of arson victims. The stated issue is that the County run hospitals cannot afford to keep paying for the indigent who are typically the victims of this gang related violence. The easiest solution would be to get the county out of the healthcare business. Sell off the hospitals to private industry and let them deal with it. The problem with that is Cook county is not much about cutting state/local government jobs/spending. Interesting facts about Illinois from a study I dug up. In chicago the top 5 employers are 1. U.S. Government 55,183 2. Chicago Public Schools 39,667 3. City of Chicago 31,307 4. Cook County 21,785 5. Advocate Health Care 18,485 http://www.chicagobusiness.com/secti...=@pGKJyF3ZKmUM Another interesting fact: All this is going to do is really hurt business for the few suburban gun stores left. You can drive an extra 15-30 mins and end up at a number of gun shops and ranges outside of Cook County; I really feel bad for one place in perticular which is in the process of expanding. |
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Patriot86, while I agree with your general sentiment, the employment data isn't very indicative of anything unusual or unique. In most large cities and states when job data is aggregated the government winds up being the largest or one of the largest job providers. Whether or not the government is oversized and reasons for budget shortfalls is a separate issue from backdoor gun control.
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They need to collect the tax at the scene of the crime/arrest whichever comes first for it to make any sense whatsoever.
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I'd only support such a thing if it's accompanied by a stupidity tax for the politicians who think up such asinine proposals.
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Dang he already wants to adopt Europes VAT
I guess this could be a Violence Added Tax lol Think it was Clinton that added the "sin tax" on smokes, non smokers didn't care, it passed. Will most non gun owners oppose this? Probably not unless they see this as a start of a tricky slope of taxing. |
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Here is another example of a bullet tax. http://www.theliberaloc.com/2012/07/...o-tax-bullets/
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If they want to raise revenue, then they should just start issuing carry permits for a reasonable fee for anyone that has a clean background. I'm sure the County and the City would raise a fair amount of money. But that would make too much sense...
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They already have a gasoline tax and tax and license taxes on cars, has it stopped drive by shootings?
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Such a tax might face a constitutional challenge. Governments cannot aim a tax specifically on newspapers, though newspapers are subject to general taxes. It's not clear to me how a bullet tax or something similar would fare since it is more indirect in nature. Still, does Chicago want more litigation on this matter?
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Here's an idea: Propose an arson, drunk driving and vehicular homicide tax on all gasoline sold in Cook county. When they marry that to the violence tax on ammo, then agree.
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Todays news in NYC -Bloomberg stuffs his face into the camera bragging about capturing 100 illegal guns and making some arrests. I wonder what will happen to them, more slaps on the wrists ?
One hundred guns ??? In some neighborhoods you could find that many in one block !!
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look if you going to have a "violence tax", then can't just limit it to just firearm related items, what about domestic violence and other such violent acts?, sounds like a BS tax, unless it's going to be called for what it is.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,5277041.story
The violence continues !! It's very easy for a city to deteriorate when the politicians come up with stupid plans to solve problems.
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Yet another brilliant plan put forth by the all knowing Chicago machine .... and how many criminals pay tax on their illegal gun purchases?
I know last time I bought an automatic ak 47 from Louie out of his van on lower Wacker I filled out my federal paperwork, showed him my FOID, and paid IL sales tax Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 |
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