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July 20, 2015, 12:56 PM | #1 |
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Slide-Fire Stock on an AR-15...Too Much Fun
Bump-fire stocks have become an issue at the gun club where I'm president. There are strong opinions, both pro and con for allowing them on our ranges.
I had no experience with bump-fire stocks, and I thought I should get so, before I voice an opinion. So I fitted a Slide Fire SSAR-15 bump-fire stock to my AR-15 and headed out to my private range at Duelist's Den to put it through its paces. Now, I can weigh in on the issue. Here's the full length video: https://www.full30.com/video/a6ca7b7...32e61bead79f89 or, if you just want a minute and a half of pure action, watch this: https://www.full30.com/video/0972e14...9439370cf0881a |
July 20, 2015, 04:11 PM | #2 |
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I just recently bought a Bumpfire systems bump stock and also a Slidefire bump stock. All i can say is wow what a fun way to burn ammo I wasn't going to pay the money they wanted when they first came out $400ish, but now they are around $100 and below I said what the heck for me they satisfy that full auto itch for a lot less than the real thing.
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July 20, 2015, 04:29 PM | #3 |
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My buddy got one and I have used it enough to be quite familiar.
Pro: It is fun. It looks, sounds, acts and eats like full auto fire. Well built, it is not going to break or wear out, it is not at all complicated and it is very easy to switch a knob and shoot normally. Money-wise, forget how much the Federal tax stamp costs for real full auto-- just price any pre'86 full auto guns and you will see how this device gets very close and saves tens of thousands of dollars over REAL full auto. Cons: If you pay the sales price and then open the box, you'll be horrified at how little you get--but it absolutely works. It is, however, a learned technique and half the fun is letting other people shoot it but many people never get it right the first couple of attempts. Also, your ammo budget is now officially BLOWN. And the rifle gets irrationally hot so quickly that it only makes sense to me to buy/build a cheap AR for specifically this purpose because shooting like this simply HAS to eat up a rifle. You also open yourself up to typically unwanted visits either from a rangemaster or local LE depending on where you shoot. It would take a trained ear to not mistake it for the real deal. And, as expected, besides the big grins and the group laughter, I am at a loss for genuine utility, but if you can afford to feed it then you probably don't need a reason for one. Bottom line for me is that it is a really neat and interesting thing for MY FRIEND to own and all of my curiosity has been satisfied. These days when it comes out, my favorite job is coaching on making it work, being there for a safe hand-off and keeping very close tabs on what is often a shootimg novice trying it. I don't even shoot it anymore but it is a blast watching other folks enjoying it.
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July 20, 2015, 05:18 PM | #4 |
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Actually, I agree with the expense, because it is like Lay's Potato Chips...You can't shoot just one...LOL
To reduce the cost of playing with it, I'm going to mount it on a 9MM JR Carbine, which I think will be just as much fun, and it won't blow my reloading budget. |
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I am planning a 9mm build specifically for a slidefire or copycat. At 6c a round, I can let people enjoy it all they want. I am concerned that a
9mm will take a higher level of technique though with the minimal recoil. I would NEVER own one in a rifle caliber, even as a reloaded it's too pricey to dump an 8$ mag of ammo in a couple seconds. As to the OP, they are really fun ans don't take long to figure it out. No real practicality, but does a real FA have any either? I have used on for about 100 rounds of 223 and was suprised that its actually not all that difficult to stay on target, at least a torso sized target anyhow.
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July 20, 2015, 07:35 PM | #6 |
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Seems like a load of FUN to me!!!
I wish they made one of these to fit my PTR-91. Talk about fun! |
July 20, 2015, 08:06 PM | #7 |
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My son's buddy put one on his AR and the three of us went to my property and burnt up a can full of FMJ one day last fall, and it was a major hoot. Still, I do prefer the real full auto, it was how I was trained and control for me is much better.
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July 20, 2015, 08:50 PM | #8 |
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I do not work for nor endorse in anyway but the fostech one for the ak and ar are by far the best compared to slidefire solutions. They are faster in rate of fire and look pretty nice and can be shot like a normal stock. I am glad you are enjoying it my friend. In my opinion I would trust one in SHTF.
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July 20, 2015, 09:28 PM | #9 |
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Hey do you think a fostech bumpski would break a bolt on a WASR or should I at least beef up the bolt if I chose that route. I can shoot about 500 rounds per minute with just my arsenal triggers and my trigger job I do. But it could be cool what do you guys think?
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Will it work with a 22lr? I don't think I can aford the expense in ANY centerfire.
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If someone died from shots over the berm then thats the owners fault for putting in a range in that close proximity to whatever was beyond the berm (houses, roads, business, etc.) The berms are only part of keeping a place safe. There still needs to be adequate distance, or mountain side, BEYOND the berms and stuff like this wouldnt happen.
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July 21, 2015, 07:45 PM | #15 |
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Taco-XL, buddy, are you even halfway serious?!
What do you suppose is the percentage of outdoor shooting ranges in the entire nation that were recently constructed "near" established residences? Meanwhile, out here in the real world... Most outdoor gun ranges were christened in the 50's or 60's or 30 years before THAT and nobody lived anywhere near them. Most outdoor gun ranges pre-date every residence anywhere near them, and by a long shot.
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July 23, 2015, 08:58 AM | #16 |
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Were I a range owner the use of these would be limited to a short-range berm with overhead protection, if I didn't just say 'No, the liability policy covers one round escaping, not six of them.'
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July 23, 2015, 04:57 PM | #17 |
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I find them unnecessary...mostly due to having eaten about a dozen Jerry Miculek vids & a large amount of training sessions
With the right trigger return spring, all you need is a really strong & fast index finger... I need to shoot a vid of me playing with one of the Calico pistols... after I buy a ton of 9mm ammo first For those who want to get a really strong & fast trigger finger, you need one of these... http://www.amazon.com/Tiger-Claw-Eag.../dp/B0037B74N0
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Thats how you get the GI Joe Kung Fu grip!!!!
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July 25, 2015, 07:51 PM | #22 |
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"Be sure of your target and what is beyond it". Isnt that the golden rule? Anything over the berm is considered "beyond it". Most of us understand this principle...some do not. A bumpski or slide fire stock, or traditional full auto firearm, is not the cause when something terrible happens. More likely to happen? Maybe. IF the shooter doesnt have the skill set to handle it properly. But negligence can happen with ANY gun not just high fire rate guns.
I live in Appalachia and even as crude as most ranges are where i live, they all have a mountain as the defacto backstop. This isnt possible in every part of the country, obviously. I dont know the exact lay out of that particular range or how close it was to homes or roads and such. Opening a new range in very close proximity to residential or other highly populated areas is askin for trouble. And continuing to operate one that was OK years ago but now in the heart of a metropolis is just as bad. Im not a safety nazi but common sense is advisable. Sad fact of life is we always have to account for the one-percent'ers. |
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