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Considering the trivial crap that sets them off, I'm certainly not going to let their reactions guide my decisions. |
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August 27, 2012, 12:01 PM | #77 |
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The Vermont AG has passed my inquiry on:
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August 27, 2012, 12:10 PM | #78 |
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What if you just called ladies night white guy weds? Free box o' ammo for the ladies on white guy weds!
Seriously though, I think Tom has pointed out a critical part of this type of thing. There's a difference between discrimination and incentive. To frame it in NJgunowners terms, though, what if a small business owner send out coupon mailers by zipcode. But only sends them out to a neighboring zipcode with a different racial demographic, in order to attract new and more diverse clients? Is that incentive or discrimination? What about if the small business owner sends coupon mailers to as many nearby zipcodes as they financially can, but not to all the zipcodes that could easily access the business, is that discrimination? What if all those zipcodes nearby are the same racial demographic, and those left out are statistically different? Discrimination? I think the nuances of this type of situation are too many to lay it out in black and white. Some people will inevitably see discrimination everywhere, that does not make it so, and conversely some people will see non-discrimination everywhere. But in the end I think for a majority, it may be like pornography vs art, you might not be able to define it, but you just know when you've seen it. Personally I do not think this is a discriminatory practice, where it's range time or cheap beer. |
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Let's see, you're a girl so you don't have to pay. Oh wait you're guy give me money. Reverse it and see what happens. The same people who thinks it's ok to give discounts/free stuff to women would be crying about discrimination. The simple test is if the situation were reversed, how would people react. If it isn't all right for one group, how on earth can you defend it as being right for another? Quote:
Either way I'm done with this thread. I'll continue to believe we were all created equal and should be treated as such, you guys can continue to believe it's ok to incentivize one part of the population over another. Last edited by NJgunowner; August 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM. |
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When I was a lad, afternoon admission to a film was $2 and I was $1. I suppose this was discriminatory and set back the cause of senior equality, but I see no harm to be remedied in it.
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The owner likely doesn't care what percentage of his clientele is male and what percentage is female - like you said, their money all spends the same. But, there's nothing in the article to suggest that he's having to turn away male business in order to court female shooters. What he's doing is trying to expand his business **without cannibilizing his current customer base** by tapping into the hitherto under-represented female market. When Domino's started selling chicken wings, salads, sandwiches and desserts, they weren't trying to cut down on the number of pizzas they sold - they were simply trying to attract the crowd that wanted something besides pizza. |
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I guess this settles it once and for all:
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Thanks for following through with that. Vermont's position makes sense to me, but evidently, the matter isn't as "cut and dried" as I had originally thought, because there are some states that have ruled that variable pricing arrangements based on a patron's sex are in fact illegal. Here's a law blog that gives some examples. |
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I'm trying to decide if I would like the kind of life where I could afford to expend my mental and emotional energy worrying about Ladies Night at the range. It would either mean I had absolutely no problems in my life or I was so bitter that I worried about petty little things that didn't even effect me.
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It is legal in bars to have a ladies night. It should be legal to have one at the range.
Frankly I think our sport needs more feminine touches. |
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Being cranky - I'm going to say that I wonder if the animus against such an event is really some theoretical civil rights/discrimination view point or some problem with women as a group.
I've seen that before. At a meeting, we discussed the use of chairman. Using chairperson, chairman and chairwoman seemed stilted. We decided to call folks simply 'the chair'. Some old guy started the blah, blah. These women - blah, blah. I'm not a chair, that's furniture. I suggested we could call him the stool - to end the argument.
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