machine gun in a pickup.

darksidearmorer · March 4, 2012, 06:03 PM

i know its a crazy idea but leagaly can i mount a machinegun in the bed of a pickup ? im not talking about driving down public street with it but for private use on private property and a leagly owned beltfed. i want to do this small scale with an ohio ordnace semi auto browning .30cal and then eventualy move up to a real full auto when or if my income ever makes it possble. is there anything in the nfa that prevents this ? i know in my state on public land its illeagle to fire any firearm from a moving vehicle however on private property your fine. im thinking about this because i spent a lot of time in a turret of an mrap while i was in the service and in a weird way i miss it, i just want to be able to shoot off a truck again without goin to jail. again before people freak , Im talking private property a leagly owned machine gun and safe weapon handiling practices.

Willie Lowman · March 4, 2012, 06:54 PM

That would be up to the laws of your state.

I've seen such things done in Ohio and Kentucky. Heck, in Arizona there is a gun range where you can fire a M2 from a Humvee for the right money.

RamItOne · March 4, 2012, 07:48 PM

Guy was on a truck forum I was on. Iirc he's a dealer in Oklahoma.

MrDontPlay · March 4, 2012, 07:53 PM

I've seen that truck on another gun forum. If you'll notice it says "class III dealer" on the back window.

James K · March 4, 2012, 09:26 PM

No, there is nothing in the NFA to prohibit doing what you propose.

But if the "private property" isn't pretty big, with several miles of impact area, you might have some problems with your neighbors. It isn't like a range, where you can build a backstop and keep the guns pointed in one direction. If the gunner is firing when the driver hits a bump, the bullets could go about anywhere.

Jim

darksidearmorer · March 4, 2012, 10:47 PM

yes i understand the need of a backstop, i do have fair amount of experience when it comes of machineguns mounted on mraps and other military vics, this is going to be very small scale and with the right set up will be plenty safe, i was just curious of the leagl aspect. the land im looking at has a rather large hill that will be the backstop for the range. with the road graded for smoothness it will be safe as long as i build an elevation stop into the mount. there are many traning ranges setup exactly like this on several military bases all over the country and i have particpated in this type of training several times so its not as complicated or unsafe as it apprears to be on the surface. im not to picky about the type of machinegun eventually used its just the ability to do so that im interested in does any one here have an opinon on an inexpensive belt fed? just cheap ammo and reliable is my only real concern im not to interested in spending 40,000 on a m2 just for kicks , what does a pkm run or mabey and rpd?

armoredman · March 5, 2012, 12:18 AM

That truck is what a "technical" wishes it could be...nice.

Willie Lowman · March 5, 2012, 01:05 AM

Darkside, you will find M2s to be much cheaper and easier to find than a transferable PKM or RPD. The M2 is much more common and therefore going to be cheaper. I saw one recently for roughly $25,000.

A 1919 or perhaps and old Maxim would be the cheapest belt feds you will find. Between $15,000 to $20,000 depending on what accessories come with the gun. Those prices may be a little off, I haven't seen one of those guns for sale for a while.

Oh, those prices will be higher next year, and the year after that, and the year after...

mboylan · March 5, 2012, 03:36 PM

The problem with the M2 is ammo cost. 7.62x54 can be had much cheaper. A 1919 is easily converted. The other option is a Maxim. Common beltfeds have taken a big hit in price. It is a good time to buy.

darksidearmorer · March 5, 2012, 08:31 PM

what about mg42s ? im okay on spending the money for a beltfed its the ammo cost that im concerned about. shooting 8mm mauser or any of the .30 somethings would be a bit cheaper that .50bmg, but a m2 in the back of a truck would be beyond cool

Willie Lowman · March 5, 2012, 09:03 PM

OOW has some MG08/15s for sale for just under 10000.

I haven't seen a transferable MG42 for sale for a while.

Beretta686 · March 6, 2012, 08:43 AM

I know a guy here in Texas who mounted his M2 on the back of a jeep and would blast down into a river gorge which ran through his Hill Country property, turning big rocks into small rocks. He'd also hunt pigs with it....

Belt-feds are bad-ass, but they're a bit pricey to feed for a private citizen. And unfortunately the Army has a way of taking something totally awesome, like a drive-by shooting with belt-fed weapons and turning it into something epically lame, called a "Convoy live-fire exercise".

darksidearmorer · March 6, 2012, 07:29 PM

good for me that the marine corps live fire convoy ranges are so so much better.

March 4, 2012, 06:03 PM	#1
darksidearmorer Member Join Date: February 22, 2012 Posts: 21	machine gun in a pickup. i know its a crazy idea but leagaly can i mount a machinegun in the bed of a pickup ? im not talking about driving down public street with it but for private use on private property and a leagly owned beltfed. i want to do this small scale with an ohio ordnace semi auto browning .30cal and then eventualy move up to a real full auto when or if my income ever makes it possble. is there anything in the nfa that prevents this ? i know in my state on public land its illeagle to fire any firearm from a moving vehicle however on private property your fine. im thinking about this because i spent a lot of time in a turret of an mrap while i was in the service and in a weird way i miss it, i just want to be able to shoot off a truck again without goin to jail. again before people freak , Im talking private property a leagly owned machine gun and safe weapon handiling practices. Last edited by darksidearmorer; March 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM.

March 4, 2012, 06:54 PM	#2
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	That would be up to the laws of your state. I've seen such things done in Ohio and Kentucky. Heck, in Arizona there is a gun range where you can fire a M2 from a Humvee for the right money. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

March 4, 2012, 07:53 PM	#4
MrDontPlay Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2010 Posts: 587	I've seen that truck on another gun forum. If you'll notice it says "class III dealer" on the back window. __________________ Someday I'll be good enough to know if a gun is accurate or not.

March 5, 2012, 01:05 AM	#8
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Darkside, you will find M2s to be much cheaper and easier to find than a transferable PKM or RPD. The M2 is much more common and therefore going to be cheaper. I saw one recently for roughly $25,000. A 1919 or perhaps and old Maxim would be the cheapest belt feds you will find. Between $15,000 to $20,000 depending on what accessories come with the gun. Those prices may be a little off, I haven't seen one of those guns for sale for a while. Oh, those prices will be higher next year, and the year after that, and the year after... __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

March 5, 2012, 09:03 PM	#11
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	OOW has some MG08/15s for sale for just under 10000. I haven't seen a transferable MG42 for sale for a while. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

March 4, 2012, 07:48 PM	#3
RamItOne Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2011 Posts: 990	Guy was on a truck forum I was on. Iirc he's a dealer in Oklahoma.

March 4, 2012, 09:26 PM	#5
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	No, there is nothing in the NFA to prohibit doing what you propose. But if the "private property" isn't pretty big, with several miles of impact area, you might have some problems with your neighbors. It isn't like a range, where you can build a backstop and keep the guns pointed in one direction. If the gunner is firing when the driver hits a bump, the bullets could go about anywhere. Jim

March 4, 2012, 10:47 PM	#6
darksidearmorer Member Join Date: February 22, 2012 Posts: 21	yes i understand the need of a backstop, i do have fair amount of experience when it comes of machineguns mounted on mraps and other military vics, this is going to be very small scale and with the right set up will be plenty safe, i was just curious of the leagl aspect. the land im looking at has a rather large hill that will be the backstop for the range. with the road graded for smoothness it will be safe as long as i build an elevation stop into the mount. there are many traning ranges setup exactly like this on several military bases all over the country and i have particpated in this type of training several times so its not as complicated or unsafe as it apprears to be on the surface. im not to picky about the type of machinegun eventually used its just the ability to do so that im interested in does any one here have an opinon on an inexpensive belt fed? just cheap ammo and reliable is my only real concern im not to interested in spending 40,000 on a m2 just for kicks , what does a pkm run or mabey and rpd?

March 5, 2012, 12:18 AM	#7
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	That truck is what a "technical" wishes it could be...nice.

March 5, 2012, 03:36 PM	#9
mboylan Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2011 Posts: 120	The problem with the M2 is ammo cost. 7.62x54 can be had much cheaper. A 1919 is easily converted. The other option is a Maxim. Common beltfeds have taken a big hit in price. It is a good time to buy.

March 5, 2012, 08:31 PM	#10
darksidearmorer Member Join Date: February 22, 2012 Posts: 21	what about mg42s ? im okay on spending the money for a beltfed its the ammo cost that im concerned about. shooting 8mm mauser or any of the .30 somethings would be a bit cheaper that .50bmg, but a m2 in the back of a truck would be beyond cool

March 6, 2012, 08:43 AM	#12
Beretta686 Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 761	I know a guy here in Texas who mounted his M2 on the back of a jeep and would blast down into a river gorge which ran through his Hill Country property, turning big rocks into small rocks. He'd also hunt pigs with it.... Belt-feds are bad-ass, but they're a bit pricey to feed for a private citizen. And unfortunately the Army has a way of taking something totally awesome, like a drive-by shooting with belt-fed weapons and turning it into something epically lame, called a "Convoy live-fire exercise". __________________ "Our contract called for 16 cases of rifles and ammunition for $10,000 dollars, not a machine gun...........That is our present to the General"-Pike Bishop “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

March 6, 2012, 07:29 PM	#13
darksidearmorer Member Join Date: February 22, 2012 Posts: 21	good for me that the marine corps live fire convoy ranges are so so much better.