Just Learned a lesson - 45ACP Brass

Blue · June 12, 2009, 09:38 PM

Bought a bag of once fired 45 ACP brass - found 1 Speer 45 Auto casing with the "Small" primer pocket. If I hadn't cleaned well and checked each visually -could have ruined my day if I tried to force an LP into that "Small" hole.

Can a SP primer be used in the Speer 45 Auto brass? Or does it take something special. I don't think need to keep it around. Once warned and all that.

Haven't seen one of those before. Any advantages to the Speer with SP?

Storm52 · June 12, 2009, 10:30 PM

A few of the manufacturers are using small primers in their 'green ammo'. No heavy metals in the primers. I think Winchester has the WinClean using SP. I would check the balance of your cases. You can reload these, but of course not in the same reloading session. If you only have a handful of these, I would toss them in the scrap pile.

Blue · June 12, 2009, 11:29 PM

Just had 2. Will toss them.

Thanks for the good advise.

Have 218 ready to go for tomorrow.

Randy 1911 · June 12, 2009, 11:35 PM

I keep them and when I get enough of them for a session, I load them. I save them for when I am shooting in a place that I have a good chance of losing them, like in a "lost brass" match or a grassy field.

zxcvbob · June 12, 2009, 11:40 PM

Toss them into a seperate coffee can. When you get enough, they might come in handy some time when your press is already set up for small primers cuz you won't have to change that part over.

And if LP primed brass ever becomes obsolete, you have a head start.

ragsxd · June 13, 2009, 05:20 AM

nt brasss. use sp primer.

margiesex · June 13, 2009, 01:13 PM

I found a few winchester 45's in a batch of fired brass my daughter brought back from the range. As I was cleaning, etc. (I go over each case at least 3 times in the loading process) I came upon some winny's that seemed not only to have a large pistol primer, but were "crimped" much like an NT round mentioned. However, there was no mention of NT on the case headstamp. And, apparently, some of the "excess" brass was forced out in the decapping process on some, not all, making them appear totally "normal" winny cases.

Now the entire batch is set aside and I will have to go over each one - not wanting to toss out good brass, I'll just have to be judicious about winny cases. And, if I find any problems what so ever - winny cases (all) go into the trash. Won't take a chance with my gun or my life, nor those next to me.

good luck.

And remember: Hug your God and your guns - because he's coming for both - and soon!

Margiesex

thebear101 · July 13, 2009, 03:03 AM

Sell the small primer brass to me (45acp) or send me your address and I'll pay for the shipping if you just want to through them away, from Andy

dsv424 · July 13, 2009, 11:06 AM

Federal makes these "nt" cases also. I ran into a couple of them the last time I was reloading 45 ACP. Glad I didn't set off a primer trying to insert a LP in a SP pocket. At first I thought it was a crimped primer pocket and tried to ream it out when that didn't work I took a closer look and saw it was a SP pocket. Guess I'll save them in a separate bag and reload when I get enough.

Master Blaster · July 13, 2009, 11:15 AM

The Speer case was .45 GAP??, .45 GAP uses a small pistol primer, and is 1/16" shorter than .45acp, could have also been a simunition training round but I doubt it.

June 12, 2009, 09:38 PM	#1
Blue Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2009 Posts: 113	Just Learned a lesson - 45ACP Brass Bought a bag of once fired 45 ACP brass - found 1 Speer 45 Auto casing with the "Small" primer pocket. If I hadn't cleaned well and checked each visually -could have ruined my day if I tried to force an LP into that "Small" hole. Can a SP primer be used in the Speer 45 Auto brass? Or does it take something special. I don't think need to keep it around. Once warned and all that. Haven't seen one of those before. Any advantages to the Speer with SP?

June 12, 2009, 11:29 PM	#3
Blue Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2009 Posts: 113	Sp 45 acp Just had 2. Will toss them. Thanks for the good advise. Have 218 ready to go for tomorrow.

June 12, 2009, 11:35 PM	#4
Randy 1911 Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2009 Location: Western Arkansas Posts: 273	I keep them and when I get enough of them for a session, I load them. I save them for when I am shooting in a place that I have a good chance of losing them, like in a "lost brass" match or a grassy field. __________________ Been Reloading 27 Years NRA Member Member Old Fort Gun Club www.ofgc.org

June 12, 2009, 11:40 PM	#5
zxcvbob Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: S.E. Minnesota Posts: 4,720	Toss them into a seperate coffee can. When you get enough, they might come in handy some time when your press is already set up for small primers cuz you won't have to change that part over. And if LP primed brass ever becomes obsolete, you have a head start. __________________ "Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire!" —Lucille Bluth

June 13, 2009, 01:13 PM	#7
margiesex Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2009 Location: Levittown, PA Posts: 210	brass I found a few winchester 45's in a batch of fired brass my daughter brought back from the range. As I was cleaning, etc. (I go over each case at least 3 times in the loading process) I came upon some winny's that seemed not only to have a large pistol primer, but were "crimped" much like an NT round mentioned. However, there was no mention of NT on the case headstamp. And, apparently, some of the "excess" brass was forced out in the decapping process on some, not all, making them appear totally "normal" winny cases. Now the entire batch is set aside and I will have to go over each one - not wanting to toss out good brass, I'll just have to be judicious about winny cases. And, if I find any problems what so ever - winny cases (all) go into the trash. Won't take a chance with my gun or my life, nor those next to me. good luck. And remember: Hug your God and your guns - because he's coming for both - and soon! Margiesex

June 12, 2009, 10:30 PM	#2
Storm52 Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: Shreveport, La. Posts: 85	A few of the manufacturers are using small primers in their 'green ammo'. No heavy metals in the primers. I think Winchester has the WinClean using SP. I would check the balance of your cases. You can reload these, but of course not in the same reloading session. If you only have a handful of these, I would toss them in the scrap pile.

June 13, 2009, 05:20 AM	#6
ragsxd Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Posts: 46	nt brasss. use sp primer.

July 13, 2009, 03:03 AM	#8
thebear101 Junior Member Join Date: June 18, 2008 Posts: 2	Small primer 45acp brass Sell the small primer brass to me (45acp) or send me your address and I'll pay for the shipping if you just want to through them away, from Andy

July 13, 2009, 11:06 AM	#9
dsv424 Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2008 Location: Dallas, Tx. Posts: 266	Federal makes these "nt" cases also. I ran into a couple of them the last time I was reloading 45 ACP. Glad I didn't set off a primer trying to insert a LP in a SP pocket. At first I thought it was a crimped primer pocket and tried to ream it out when that didn't work I took a closer look and saw it was a SP pocket. Guess I'll save them in a separate bag and reload when I get enough.

July 13, 2009, 11:15 AM	#10
Master Blaster Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: One of the original 13 Colonies Posts: 2,281	The Speer case was .45 GAP??, .45 GAP uses a small pistol primer, and is 1/16" shorter than .45acp, could have also been a simunition training round but I doubt it.