Do we kill her? - Page 2

BikerRN · May 15, 2009, 12:49 PM

Interesting scenario, and for some will provide much "food for thought."

I've never been in the "Shoot them all" camp, but I am somewhat distant and cold to people I don't know at times. It all depends upon the situation. With that said, she can argue all she wants, but she is not gaining further entry in to the house and 911 will be called, even if I have to take the phone off the hook, dial 911, and set the phone down.

There are a lot of variables here and how the situation plays out will depend upon the instigator of the actions, the female. Since I always have a gun accessable to me when I am at home, my hand may or may not be on my gun. They say "Looks can kill" and maybe her's can. She may be a diversion and her co-horts are waiting just outside the door, or she may be just what she is, an intoxicated female that has to pee.

People tend to get stupid when they get drunk. Male ot female, I don't like dealing with intoxicated individuals. Like I said, I don't believe she will be gaining further entry in to the house and 911 will be called. Beyond that I can't tell you what I would do, as the situation is not happening yet.

Biker

AZAK · May 15, 2009, 12:56 PM

There may be a reason that this has never happened to me, and I doubt that it ever will: dogs.

In this scenario if she really had to go, after hearing and seeing the dogs, one way or the other she would not have to any longer.

So no, no need to kill her. And I for one am not in the mindset of "killing" anyone. Loaded question! (Pun intended.)

BlueTrain · May 15, 2009, 12:58 PM

You folks would make the best neighbors. I grew up in a small town near the railroad and answering the door to people asking for handouts. I guess times change.

erwos · May 15, 2009, 01:03 PM

Um, no?

Where has this woman presented anything remotely resembling a clear and present danger to you?

You can make up a hundred imagined scenarios about "the guys waiting in the bushes" or "the knife in her bra", but there's not a chance in hell that would hold up in court without any of them actually playing out. Grab your gun, sure, call the cops, definitely, but shoot her? There's simply no moral or legal justification .

College wasn't so far off for me; I remember this kinda thing happening all the time, guys and girls. You always learn to lock your door in a college party town.

Evan Thomas · May 15, 2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KingEdward

This scenario really reminds me just how important immediately locking a door can be.

Yes, indeedy. I come home, go inside, let the dog out if she hasn't been with me -- and the door gets locked, even while she's out in the yard.

If someone comes to my door at that hour (or any other, for that matter -- I don't let strangers into my house), I'm not letting them in, regardless of gender, regardless of reason she or he "needs" to come in. If it's a woman in fear of her life and I have some reason to believe that she's in danger, I'll gladly call the cops, stay on the phone with them, and keep an eye out, but even (especially) if she has trouble after her in the form of a big guy with a weapon -- sorry, but I'm not going to make myself his target also.

If she gets in, the one time I don't lock the door (no one's perfect), she gets "You need to leave now" in my very best command voice, and if she doesn't leave right goshdarn then, I'm on the phone to 911. But no weapons are coming out unless she actually threatens me; if she doesn't comply with an order to leave, I may be out the door myself until the cops come, after a look around to see if she has "friends" anywhere nearby -- I see no reason to expose myself to risk by staying in the house with her if she's refusing to leave, and I have no investment in proving how tough I am. And if it's a guy, not much changes in this scenario, except that given the likely disparity in strength between me and pretty much any guy, I'd be even more likely to get the hell away.

But, um, no, I'm not going to kill her, or even show a weapon. Nothing in the scenario, as given, would remotely justify it.

kazanski612 · May 15, 2009, 01:36 PM

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What is this obsession with answering the door?

I look though the peephole and I don't know you? Sorry, Im back to the couch...

That's my favorite response yet. Perfect. If she persists, that's what 9-1-1 is for.

madmo44mag · May 15, 2009, 01:49 PM

I said I'd send her or anyone that came in my house uninvited back out at gun point.
I never said I'd shoot her without due cause.
My reasoning is simple.
If she is a BG tool to distract me, recon my house or whatever, I just sent a very strong message that I will not tolerate unauthorized intrusion into my living space.
Being the victim of violent crime myself I can only say that experience has taught me that until you know for sure there is no treat do not ASSUME all is well.
I did once and it dam near cost me my life!!!!!

Wildalaska · May 15, 2009, 01:54 PM

KILL HER KILL HER

SHE IS IN YOUR HOME. FOLKS WHO ENTER YOUR CASTLE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY SHOT. NO EXCEPTIONS!

KILL KILL KILL. THATS WHY YOU WEAR YOUR GUN 24/7. FOR STUFF LIKE THIS!!! ITS A HOME INVASION!!!

KILL KILL KILL...JUDGED BY 12 INSTEAD OF CARRIED BY 6!!!!!!!!!FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS! SHES A GOBLIN! WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?

WildlethtatbealessontothemassesAlaska ™

*INSERT SARCASTIC SMILEY*

curt.45 · May 15, 2009, 01:57 PM

..........

no comment after WA's post.

(meaning I have no idea what to say other than I wouldn't kill her)

Savage99 · May 15, 2009, 02:02 PM

I am quite disapointed in the language of the title of this topic and of some of the inflamitory commets by others.

If this happened to me I would call the police right away.

markj · May 15, 2009, 02:07 PM

Kill her and feed her to the pigs, they will eat almost anything...

Last summer 2 gals got out of their car in my drive, it is 1/4 mile to the next house. They were dressed in low cut tops and very short skirts, said they wanted to talk to me about Jesus.

dressed as they were I assumed they wanted to do something else..... they left when I asked them to. No need to shoot either of them....

Another, you need a good dog thread

apr1775 · May 15, 2009, 02:09 PM

Oh great. I can just picture it now: some anti-gun person is reading this thread and telling their friends "those gun nuts are discussing shooting a girl who just wants to use the bathroom".

hogdogs · May 15, 2009, 02:11 PM

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If I were single it would depend on what she looked like.........

I am married so it becomes a matter of is mrs.meanie... errrr I mean my beautiful bride, mrs.hogdogs home with the youngins' if not how long... Seriously though...
The gotta pee thing gets no where far in my house. My wife is finicky about junior's girlfriends using the guest bath so NO WAY! Out ya go dolly! On yer ear if no peacefully!
Brent

ZeSpectre · May 15, 2009, 02:12 PM

This girl busts in because she's gotta go to the bathroom, what do we do?

Answer...

Depends

(pun completely intended)

Doing my best to help this worthless thread get closed down.

KingEdward · May 15, 2009, 02:15 PM

To David,

when do we find out what happened after she push the officer and tried to proceed?

OuTcAsT · May 15, 2009, 02:16 PM

On the up side, if you point a gun at her she may not need to come inside any longer...

Might need a new doormat though..

hogdogs · May 15, 2009, 02:18 PM

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I grew up in a small town near the railroad and answering the door to people asking for handouts.

Different times!

Quote:

One of the more romantic elements of American folklore has been the criss-crossing rail system of this country steel rails carrying Americans to new territories across desert and mountain, through wheat fields and over great rivers. Carl Sandburg has flavored the mighty steam engine in elegant prose and Arlo Guthrie has made the roundhouse a sturdy emblem of Americas commerce.

But, even the most colorful dreams have their dark sides.

For nearly two years, a killer literally followed wheatfield Americas railroad tracks to slay unsuspecting victims before disappearing back into the pre-lit dawn. His modus operandi was always the same he struck near the rail lines he illegally rode, then stowed away on the next freight train to come his way. Always ahead of the law.

From this link...
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/s...z/track_1.html
Brent

Erich · May 15, 2009, 02:26 PM

No one can get to my door without first getting past a 5' wall with a locked gate. Anyone inside that gate is viewable from two separate windows with a crossed field of view. I don't guess I would have opened the door, though I might have gone around behind from the back to learn why someone was inside the curtailage of my house.

That said, I can't imagine shooting a woman based on the scenario set forth.

The OP asked if the circumstances would change depending on the person's dress or gender - well, of course it would. And, without seeing the precise factual situation, I couldn't tell you what I'd do.

Capt. Charlie · May 15, 2009, 02:38 PM

Geeze David!

Even though I'm sure the title of this was meant to attract attention, it's still disturbing.

Given the scenario as presented, that option shouldn't even be on the table, let alone in the title.

Add to this mess the inevitable collection of folks that advocate shooting someone for spitting on their sidewalk and this becomes a literary train wreck.

I'm closing this because even the title doesn't put us in a good light, let alone some of the responses.

If you want to discuss this scenario as presented, restart it, but let's leave the Final Option off the table, OK?

May 15, 2009, 12:56 PM	#27
AZAK Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2008 Location: the object towards which the action of the sea is directed Posts: 2,123	There may be a reason that this has never happened to me, and I doubt that it ever will: dogs. In this scenario if she really had to go, after hearing and seeing the dogs, one way or the other she would not have to any longer. So no, no need to kill her. And I for one am not in the mindset of "killing" anyone. Loaded question! (Pun intended.) __________________ The lowest paid college major/degree in this country after graduation... Elementary Education. Now, go figure...

May 15, 2009, 12:58 PM	#28
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	You folks would make the best neighbors. I grew up in a small town near the railroad and answering the door to people asking for handouts. I guess times change. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

May 15, 2009, 01:49 PM	#32
madmo44mag Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Ft.Worth, Texas Posts: 1,522	I said I'd send her or anyone that came in my house uninvited back out at gun point. I never said I'd shoot her without due cause. My reasoning is simple. If she is a BG tool to distract me, recon my house or whatever, I just sent a very strong message that I will not tolerate unauthorized intrusion into my living space. Being the victim of violent crime myself I can only say that experience has taught me that until you know for sure there is no treat do not ASSUME all is well. I did once and it dam near cost me my life!!!!! __________________ Texas - Not just a state but an attitude! For monthly shooting events in DFW visit http://www.meetup.com/TexasGunOwner-DFW

May 15, 2009, 01:54 PM	#33
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	KILL HER KILL HER SHE IS IN YOUR HOME. FOLKS WHO ENTER YOUR CASTLE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY SHOT. NO EXCEPTIONS! KILL KILL KILL. THATS WHY YOU WEAR YOUR GUN 24/7. FOR STUFF LIKE THIS!!! ITS A HOME INVASION!!! KILL KILL KILL...JUDGED BY 12 INSTEAD OF CARRIED BY 6!!!!!!!!!FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS! SHES A GOBLIN! WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? WildlethtatbealessontothemassesAlaska ™ INSERT SARCASTIC SMILEY Last edited by Wildalaska; May 15, 2009 at 01:59 PM.

May 15, 2009, 02:16 PM	#41
OuTcAsT Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2006 Location: Eastern, TN Posts: 1,236	On the up side, if you point a gun at her she may not need to come inside any longer... Might need a new doormat though.. __________________ WITHOUT Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as public Liberty, without Freedom of Speech. Silence Dogood *Does not morality imply the last clear chance?* - WildAlaska -

May 15, 2009, 12:49 PM	#26
BikerRN Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2007 Location: "State of Discombobulation" Posts: 1,333	Interesting scenario, and for some will provide much "food for thought." I've never been in the "Shoot them all" camp, but I am somewhat distant and cold to people I don't know at times. It all depends upon the situation. With that said, she can argue all she wants, but she is not gaining further entry in to the house and 911 will be called, even if I have to take the phone off the hook, dial 911, and set the phone down. There are a lot of variables here and how the situation plays out will depend upon the instigator of the actions, the female. Since I always have a gun accessable to me when I am at home, my hand may or may not be on my gun. They say "Looks can kill" and maybe her's can. She may be a diversion and her co-horts are waiting just outside the door, or she may be just what she is, an intoxicated female that has to pee. People tend to get stupid when they get drunk. Male ot female, I don't like dealing with intoxicated individuals. Like I said, I don't believe she will be gaining further entry in to the house and 911 will be called. Beyond that I can't tell you what I would do, as the situation is not happening yet. Biker

May 15, 2009, 01:03 PM	#29
erwos Member Join Date: April 8, 2009 Posts: 93	Um, no? Where has this woman presented anything remotely resembling a clear and present danger to you? You can make up a hundred imagined scenarios about "the guys waiting in the bushes" or "the knife in her bra", but there's not a chance in hell that would hold up in court without any of them actually playing out. Grab your gun, sure, call the cops, definitely, but shoot her? There's simply no moral or legal justification . College wasn't so far off for me; I remember this kinda thing happening all the time, guys and girls. You always learn to lock your door in a college party town.

May 15, 2009, 01:57 PM	#34
curt.45 Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2008 Location: Fort Wayne Ind. Posts: 866	.......... no comment after WA's post. (meaning I have no idea what to say other than I wouldn't kill her)

May 15, 2009, 02:02 PM	#35
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	I am quite disapointed in the language of the title of this topic and of some of the inflamitory commets by others. If this happened to me I would call the police right away.

May 15, 2009, 02:07 PM	#36
markj Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2005 Location: Crescent Iowa Posts: 2,971	Kill her and feed her to the pigs, they will eat almost anything... Last summer 2 gals got out of their car in my drive, it is 1/4 mile to the next house. They were dressed in low cut tops and very short skirts, said they wanted to talk to me about Jesus. dressed as they were I assumed they wanted to do something else..... they left when I asked them to. No need to shoot either of them.... Another, you need a good dog thread

May 15, 2009, 02:09 PM	#37
apr1775 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 425	Oh great. I can just picture it now: some anti-gun person is reading this thread and telling their friends "those gun nuts are discussing shooting a girl who just wants to use the bathroom".

May 15, 2009, 02:12 PM	#39
ZeSpectre Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,276	This girl busts in because she's gotta go to the bathroom, what do we do? Answer... Depends (pun completely intended) Doing my best to help this worthless thread get closed down.

May 15, 2009, 02:15 PM	#40
KingEdward Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2009 Location: The Volunteer State Posts: 439	To David, when do we find out what happened after she push the officer and tried to proceed?

May 15, 2009, 02:26 PM	#43
Erich Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA Posts: 2,543	No one can get to my door without first getting past a 5' wall with a locked gate. Anyone inside that gate is viewable from two separate windows with a crossed field of view. I don't guess I would have opened the door, though I might have gone around behind from the back to learn why someone was inside the curtailage of my house. That said, I can't imagine shooting a woman based on the scenario set forth. The OP asked if the circumstances would change depending on the person's dress or gender - well, of course it would. And, without seeing the precise factual situation, I couldn't tell you what I'd do.

May 15, 2009, 02:38 PM	#44
Capt. Charlie Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Steubenville, OH Posts: 4,446	Geeze David! Even though I'm sure the title of this was meant to attract attention, it's still disturbing. Given the scenario as presented, that option shouldn't even be on the table, let alone in the title. Add to this mess the inevitable collection of folks that advocate shooting someone for spitting on their sidewalk and this becomes a literary train wreck. I'm closing this because even the title doesn't put us in a good light, let alone some of the responses. If you want to discuss this scenario as presented, restart it, but let's leave the Final Option off the table, OK? __________________ TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does *your* post make *you?* I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie