Grand Power P1 Mk7

Cyanide971 · August 13, 2014, 12:18 PM

Good afternoon gang, I wasn't intending on this being one of my first posts here but, want to go ahead and share this info with you all. Before I go into my rant about why I love this pistol, allow me to say that through the last 21 years I have either owned or currently own (and shoot extensively) a few different handguns, so my opinions aren't based off of comparing just 2 or 3 pistols.

For the record, my #1 pistol right now is practically a tie between my P-07 and Steyr C9-A1, though I'm old school and personally prefer a DA/SA hammer-fire pistol over striker-fire platforms.

(Sold)
•Beretta 92FS, 96D Centurion, (Stoeger) Cougar 8040F.
•Ruger KP95D, P95DPR, P95PR.
•S&W SW99 QA (.40)
•Taurus 24/7 G2 (9mm).
•Taurus Millennium G2 PT-111 (9mm).
•Walther PPQ M1 (both in 9mm and .40).

(Current, all 9mm)
•Steyr C9-A1, S9-A1.
•CZ 75 P-07 Duty and a new, 2014 P-07.
•CZ P-01 (currently on layaway).
•Grand Power P1 Mk7.
•Walther P99QA, P99 AS, P99C AS.
•Ruger SR9C.
•Tanfoglio Witness P (Small frame).
•Sarsilmaz K2P.
•Glock 26, Gen 4.
•Bersa Thunder 9 UC

Eventually I plan on adding a CZ 2075 RAMI and possibly, key word possibly, an M&P9 FS, M&P Shield, and Glock 19 as well, since have been pleased with their performance after renting them all multiple times. Hey, I simply love shooting! Anyway...

Anyone who has seen my posts on a couple of other forums that I frequent know that I am big on giving lots of pictures for comparison in my reviews. I figure it may be more helpful for a fellow shooter to be able to actually see how pistols size up against each other from different angles, especially if it is a model they are potentially interested in. And now with that being said, let's go...

Cyanide971 · August 13, 2014, 12:21 PM

I present to you the Slovakian-made 9mm Grand Power P1 Mk7.

Anyone familiar with the CZ Family of pistols will note the similarities of appearance, as well as operation with being capable of both DA/SA Carry with exception of disassembly (more on that later), though it is not a CZ clone (like Tanfoglio, Sarsilmaz, etc.).

•DA/SA, with "Cocked-and-Locked" capability (similar to CZ Family).
•15+1 capacity (2 mags included). *Note: CZ mags are not interchangeable but can be with a simple, minor modification.
•Completely ambidextrous operation & controls.
•Smooth, crisp trigger with virtually no take-up, very short travel, and extremely short, positive reset. Estimate between 7-8 lb DA pull and 4 lb SA pull.
•Positive, yet smooth safety.
•Drift-adjustable, snag-free, rounded rear sight.
•Four interchangeable palm swells/backstraps.
•Rotating barrel design.
•Polymer frame.

Notice anything peculiar about the bottom pic on this combo showing the safety?

Took delivery of it the same morning as returning to work several weeks ago, and was only able to run 45 rounds through it since I had to high-tail it from home 370 miles away in order to make my scheduled pickup that afternoon. So straight out of the box, quickly to the range, and then to work.

Not bad for $393, especially after calling CAI concerning the barrel recall and discovering that the original buyer, who is part of the distribution network for Bud's Gun Shop, had already performed the recall's corrective action before releasing the pistol for sale NIB!

First thirty rounds from 3 to 10 yards, with three shot lefty @ 5 yds lol...

Last fifteen rounds, all from 7 yards...

My initial reaction is it that is a very good buy, and after I get more time at the range to get it zeroed to point of aim (middle of black square) it will join the rotation of carry pistols alongside my CZ P-07, Steyr C9-A1, and Walther P99.

Cyanide971 · August 13, 2014, 12:25 PM

Concerning the trigger pull I will say this, my initial personal opinion is that this is simply one of the finest stock triggers I have ever fired, regardless if DA or SA. The DA is extremely smooth and feels to be around 7 or 8 lbs max, and feels better than my P-07 or Walther P99 AS when either are shot/dry-fired DA. When DA is used from the half-cock position there is minimal take-up followed by very smooth travel to break.

SA is simply amazing. I love the CZ Omega trigger, but this trigger beats it hands down, eliminating the take-up that I experience on my P-07 and, with a shorter reset than either that, my Steyr, or PPQ/P99 AS (comparison vs my P-07 with pics coming).

Disassembly is definitely different, and is similar to how the Walther PPK is done. As always, safely clear the pistol and then, pull the top front of the trigger guard forward, down, and out from the frame. Grab the slide and rack it all the way back and then just a little more, lifting it from the frame rails. Remove the barrel from the slide and the recoil spring from the fixed polymer guide rod and that is it. Reassembling can be tricky if you don't get the slide lined back up properly, but it is easier to see it done than merely picturing it in your head.

Cyanide971 · August 13, 2014, 12:26 PM

Here is an image showing the pistol with the smallest and then, the largest back straps in place demonstrating just how much size variance there is across the range of them.

Simplicity of removal...

...and replacement.

No retaining pins to push out, just need something to pry the open base of the backstrap away from the heel of the grip and then pull out from the retaining grooves.

Then simply line up the top of the new backstrap and pull onto the grip, "locking" it in.

Cyanide971 · August 13, 2014, 12:46 PM

CZ75 P-07 Duty vs Grand Power P1 Mk7

Let me preface this with this simple fact: I would be just as comfortable carrying either of these regardless of what I had to choose, in addition to any of my other pistols be it my Steyrs, Walthers, Ruger, Glock, CZ-clones, etc. As of right now though, the CZ has a slight edge for my choice, as I prefer it's shorter grip (and with 1 round higher capacity), the sights are easier to acquire (bigger, brighter dots), the magazine release is much easier to depress (I use the middle finger of my shooting hand), I can use CZ-75B mags if necessary (and those from associated clones), it just seems to balance better in my hand and finally, I have simply put many more rounds down range with it w/o any issues.

However, advantages to the Grand Power are an unbelievable trigger that puts the CZ's Omega Trigger to shame, complete ambidextrous controls, better fit for a variety of users through four separately sized palm swells, and an easier disassembly/reassembly .

Let's start with them side by side. You can see that both pistols are very similar in appearance, with the CZ having a slightly shorter grip, contributing to a shorter height.

In these shots you'll see the differences in their respective widths and designs. Here the G.P. has the edge, having a similar profile like a traditional, slimmer CZ.

Front and rear profiles.

Now for the nitty gritty, TRIGGER PULL!
Single Action:

Double Action:

Trigger travel measurements:

Cyanide971 · August 13, 2014, 12:53 PM

The Grand Power fits my P-07 Winthrop IWB holster almost perfectly...ALMOST

Concerning it's size, it is also similar to the PPQ/P99, C9-A1, Glock 19, etc. Compared to my old PPQ

Y'all be safe, and keep shooting!

KyJim · August 13, 2014, 01:42 PM

Welcome to the forum. Very nice review and great pics!

One of the reasons I don't have a CZ is the length of the DA trigger pull -- I have small hands. How does the length of pull on the Grand Power compare when using the smallest grip backstrap? Thanks.

RX-79G · August 13, 2014, 02:15 PM

Kind of funny how new guns keep coming out without decockers. Maybe that's an American preoccupation?

Cyanide, would you mind posting pics of the inside of the slide? I'm curious who the barrel locks.

Pretty neat gun. I like how they use a cross pin to rotate the barrel.

Cyanide971 · August 13, 2014, 03:18 PM

Thanks for the props!

KyJim, IMHO I have small hands also and carry at the half-cock position for the slightly shorter DA pull. Honestly, on both of them they are pretty close. I wouldn't let that stop you from getting either as they are both excellent firearms. As you can see from earlier pictures above, even with the largest palm swell backstrap I listed as #4 I can still reach the trigger from the full DA, hammer-down position, but dang if it doesn't remind me of handling an original Glock 21 or old Para Ordnance P-14! Hahahahahaha

RX-79G, as soon as I get the Grand Power back from "the babysitter" (I travel to Canada quite often) I will get pictures of that for you. That's one angle I completely neglected and offer my apologies for that.

I myself prefer a decocker, hence one small reason I love my P-07 and soon-to-have P-01.

Valerko · August 13, 2014, 09:03 PM

Where's video??

Cyanide971 · August 14, 2014, 01:15 AM

I haven't gotten into that realm yet, just taking as best pics as I can.

RX-79G · August 14, 2014, 01:32 AM

There are many videos on Youtube. Enjoy.

Skans · August 14, 2014, 07:38 AM

Has anyone "torture-tested" a Grand Power yet? Sounds silly, but that's what I really want to see - how this gun holds up under a variety of extreme abuse situations. Why? Because I'd really like to replace my Glock 17 with the Grand Power.

Cyanide971 · August 14, 2014, 03:00 PM

I haven't been able to find out what the requirements are for this testing or what other competing firearms were undergoing testing, but this is taken directly from the Grand Power website:

The short time that I have had mine has caused me to fall in love with it even though my CZ is my #1 EDC. If I could somehow get the safety reconfigured as a decocker, my CZ's might have a fight on their hands hahahahahaha.

skizzums · August 14, 2014, 03:13 PM

awesome review, I will comsider getting one for sure, a little too big for carry IMO, but looks like a great house gun. I have never seen the feed ramp built into the frame before, its probably not the first, but the first I have seen.

RX-79G · August 14, 2014, 03:23 PM

One or two guns have them - 1911 and Beretta 92 you might have heard of.

gyvel · August 14, 2014, 03:24 PM

Quote:

One of the reasons I don't have a CZ is the length of the DA trigger pull -- I have small hands.

KyJim, I, too, have small hands, but only your first shot is likely to be DA, and that is only necessary in case of a required snap shot. All your succeeding shots will be SA, and I have no problem with the CZ 75 trigger in SA.

skizzums · August 14, 2014, 08:32 PM

i have yet to get behind a 92, i have shot a decent amount of 1911's, but never owned one to take apart. do you have any info on what exactly the Slovak acceptance test entails? i'm so reluctant to get anything other than a cz or clone just because they are so freakin reliable. i have never had a misfire in a thousand rounds with a cz and thats even with my handloads. this gun looks like its built like a tank, please keep us updated on the long-term ownership. great review BTW, you def put some time into it, and we appreciate it

gyvel · August 14, 2014, 08:35 PM

Boy! Since their parting of the ways from the former Czechoslovakia, the Slovak Republic sure is carrying separatism to an extreme.

Cyanide971 · August 19, 2014, 09:39 PM

Well, this sucks! I'm on my last 9 days of work and it doesn't look like I'm gonna be able to get back through Iowa to get my GP back before my time off. So my next range report may be on hold for awhile gang...

Skans · August 20, 2014, 07:22 AM

What large capacity magazines are available for the Grand Power?

Bart Noir · August 20, 2014, 01:52 PM

RX, look at the pic of the barrels again.

Moving closer to the muzzle from the breech area, there is a big rounded lug that goes slightly over half way around the barrel.

When the barrel is rotated, this rounded lug will fit into slots in the slide. The result is that the barrel and slide are firmly locked together.

While the details differ from the current Beretta design (Px4 and earlier the Cougar) the idea is the same. And I was very impressed by the way the rotating barrel design reduced muzzle jump on the Cougar (9mm) and the Px4 (.40S&W).

So this gun excites me.

Bart Noir

Bart Noir · August 20, 2014, 02:08 PM

So far nobody has mixed up the Republic of Slovenia (Slovenia) with the place where this gun was made, the Slovak Republic (Slovakia).

That says a lot about our forum members, as this has to be one of the easiest geographic mistakes a person can make these days.

Bart Noir
Who still remembers when there was an Upper Volta, which had nothing to do with Nicola Tesla.

RX-79G · August 21, 2014, 01:18 AM

Quote:

RX, look at the pic of the barrels again.

Yeah, I know how it works. I just wanted to see if it locks on just the ejection port of if the other barrel lug engaged a lug in the slide.

Bart Noir · August 23, 2014, 01:36 AM

RX, I realized I screwed the pooch in my locking description earlier. How embarrassing

The barrel and slide will not lock into the frame, of course they will not. The gun would not operate if they did. I have amended my post and promise to think a little harder before I talk to you guys again.

Bart Noir
Who searches for an an excuse. Low blood sugar levels, maybe?

August 13, 2014, 12:21 PM	#2
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	I present to you the Slovakian-made 9mm Grand Power P1 Mk7. Anyone familiar with the CZ Family of pistols will note the similarities of appearance, as well as operation with being capable of both DA/SA Carry with exception of disassembly (more on that later), though it is not a CZ clone (like Tanfoglio, Sarsilmaz, etc.). •DA/SA, with "Cocked-and-Locked" capability (similar to CZ Family). •15+1 capacity (2 mags included). Note: CZ mags are not interchangeable but can be with a simple, minor modification. •Completely ambidextrous operation & controls. •Smooth, crisp trigger with virtually no take-up, very short travel, and extremely short, positive reset. Estimate between 7-8 lb DA pull and 4 lb SA pull. •Positive, yet smooth safety. •Drift-adjustable, snag-free, rounded rear sight. •Four interchangeable palm swells/backstraps. •Rotating barrel design. •Polymer frame. Notice anything peculiar about the bottom pic on this combo showing the safety? Took delivery of it the same morning as returning to work several weeks ago, and was only able to run 45 rounds through it since I had to high-tail it from home 370 miles away in order to make my scheduled pickup that afternoon. So straight out of the box, quickly to the range, and then to work. Not bad for $393, especially after calling CAI concerning the barrel recall and discovering that the original buyer, who is part of the distribution network for Bud's Gun Shop, had already performed the recall's corrective action before releasing the pistol for sale NIB! First thirty rounds from 3 to 10 yards, with three shot lefty @ 5 yds lol... Last fifteen rounds, all from 7 yards... My initial reaction is it that is a very good buy, and after I get more time at the range to get it zeroed to point of aim (middle of black square) it will join the rotation of carry pistols alongside my CZ P-07, Steyr C9-A1, and Walther P99. Last edited by Cyanide971; August 13, 2014 at 03:06 PM.*

August 13, 2014, 12:25 PM	#3
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Concerning the trigger pull I will say this, my initial personal opinion is that this is simply one of the finest stock triggers I have ever fired, regardless if DA or SA. The DA is extremely smooth and feels to be around 7 or 8 lbs max, and feels better than my P-07 or Walther P99 AS when either are shot/dry-fired DA. When DA is used from the half-cock position there is minimal take-up followed by very smooth travel to break. SA is simply amazing. I love the CZ Omega trigger, but this trigger beats it hands down, eliminating the take-up that I experience on my P-07 and, with a shorter reset than either that, my Steyr, or PPQ/P99 AS (comparison vs my P-07 with pics coming). Disassembly is definitely different, and is similar to how the Walther PPK is done. As always, safely clear the pistol and then, pull the top front of the trigger guard forward, down, and out from the frame. Grab the slide and rack it all the way back and then just a little more, lifting it from the frame rails. Remove the barrel from the slide and the recoil spring from the fixed polymer guide rod and that is it. Reassembling can be tricky if you don't get the slide lined back up properly, but it is easier to see it done than merely picturing it in your head. Last edited by Cyanide971; August 13, 2014 at 01:18 PM.

August 13, 2014, 12:46 PM	#5
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	CZ75 P-07 Duty vs Grand Power P1 Mk7 Let me preface this with this simple fact: I would be just as comfortable carrying either of these regardless of what I had to choose, in addition to any of my other pistols be it my Steyrs, Walthers, Ruger, Glock, CZ-clones, etc. As of right now though, the CZ has a slight edge for my choice, as I prefer it's shorter grip (and with 1 round higher capacity), the sights are easier to acquire (bigger, brighter dots), the magazine release is much easier to depress (I use the middle finger of my shooting hand), I can use CZ-75B mags if necessary (and those from associated clones), it just seems to balance better in my hand and finally, I have simply put many more rounds down range with it w/o any issues. However, advantages to the Grand Power are an unbelievable trigger that puts the CZ's Omega Trigger to shame, complete ambidextrous controls, better fit for a variety of users through four separately sized palm swells, and an easier disassembly/reassembly . Let's start with them side by side. You can see that both pistols are very similar in appearance, with the CZ having a slightly shorter grip, contributing to a shorter height. In these shots you'll see the differences in their respective widths and designs. Here the G.P. has the edge, having a similar profile like a traditional, slimmer CZ. Front and rear profiles. Now for the nitty gritty, TRIGGER PULL! Single Action: Double Action: Trigger travel measurements: Last edited by Cyanide971; August 13, 2014 at 01:20 PM.

August 14, 2014, 03:13 PM	#15
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	awesome review, I will comsider getting one for sure, a little too big for carry IMO, but looks like a great house gun. I have never seen the feed ramp built into the frame before, its probably not the first, but the first I have seen. __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

August 14, 2014, 08:32 PM	#18
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	i have yet to get behind a 92, i have shot a decent amount of 1911's, but never owned one to take apart. do you have any info on what exactly the Slovak acceptance test entails? i'm so reluctant to get anything other than a cz or clone just because they are so freakin reliable. i have never had a misfire in a thousand rounds with a cz and thats even with my handloads. this gun looks like its built like a tank, please keep us updated on the long-term ownership. great review BTW, you def put some time into it, and we appreciate it __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

August 13, 2014, 12:18 PM	#1
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Grand Power P1 Mk7 Good afternoon gang, I wasn't intending on this being one of my first posts here but, want to go ahead and share this info with you all. Before I go into my rant about why I love this pistol, allow me to say that through the last 21 years I have either owned or currently own (and shoot extensively) a few different handguns, so my opinions aren't based off of comparing just 2 or 3 pistols. For the record, my #1 pistol right now is practically a tie between my P-07 and Steyr C9-A1, though I'm old school and personally prefer a DA/SA hammer-fire pistol over striker-fire platforms. (Sold) •Beretta 92FS, 96D Centurion, (Stoeger) Cougar 8040F. •Ruger KP95D, P95DPR, P95PR. •S&W SW99 QA (.40) •Taurus 24/7 G2 (9mm). •Taurus Millennium G2 PT-111 (9mm). •Walther PPQ M1 (both in 9mm and .40). (Current, all 9mm) •Steyr C9-A1, S9-A1. •CZ 75 P-07 Duty and a new, 2014 P-07. •CZ P-01 (currently on layaway). •Grand Power P1 Mk7. •Walther P99QA, P99 AS, P99C AS. •Ruger SR9C. •Tanfoglio Witness P (Small frame). •Sarsilmaz K2P. •Glock 26, Gen 4. •Bersa Thunder 9 UC Eventually I plan on adding a CZ 2075 RAMI and possibly, key word possibly, an M&P9 FS, M&P Shield, and Glock 19 as well, since have been pleased with their performance after renting them all multiple times. Hey, I simply love shooting! Anyway... Anyone who has seen my posts on a couple of other forums that I frequent know that I am big on giving lots of pictures for comparison in my reviews. I figure it may be more helpful for a fellow shooter to be able to actually see how pistols size up against each other from different angles, especially if it is a model they are potentially interested in. And now with that being said, let's go... Last edited by Cyanide971; August 13, 2014 at 01:08 PM.

August 13, 2014, 12:26 PM	#4
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Here is an image showing the pistol with the smallest and then, the largest back straps in place demonstrating just how much size variance there is across the range of them. Simplicity of removal... ...and replacement. No retaining pins to push out, just need something to pry the open base of the backstrap away from the heel of the grip and then pull out from the retaining grooves. Then simply line up the top of the new backstrap and pull onto the grip, "locking" it in. Last edited by Cyanide971; August 13, 2014 at 01:11 PM.

August 13, 2014, 12:53 PM	#6
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	The Grand Power fits my P-07 Winthrop IWB holster almost perfectly...ALMOST Concerning it's size, it is also similar to the PPQ/P99, C9-A1, Glock 19, etc. Compared to my old PPQ Y'all be safe, and keep shooting!

August 13, 2014, 01:42 PM	#7
KyJim Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 9,142	Welcome to the forum. Very nice review and great pics! One of the reasons I don't have a CZ is the length of the DA trigger pull -- I have small hands. How does the length of pull on the Grand Power compare when using the smallest grip backstrap? Thanks.

August 13, 2014, 02:15 PM	#8
RX-79G Junior member Join Date: October 27, 2013 Posts: 1,139	Kind of funny how new guns keep coming out without decockers. Maybe that's an American preoccupation? Cyanide, would you mind posting pics of the inside of the slide? I'm curious who the barrel locks. Pretty neat gun. I like how they use a cross pin to rotate the barrel.

August 13, 2014, 03:18 PM	#9
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Thanks for the props! KyJim, IMHO I have small hands also and carry at the half-cock position for the slightly shorter DA pull. Honestly, on both of them they are pretty close. I wouldn't let that stop you from getting either as they are both excellent firearms. As you can see from earlier pictures above, even with the largest palm swell backstrap I listed as #4 I can still reach the trigger from the full DA, hammer-down position, but dang if it doesn't remind me of handling an original Glock 21 or old Para Ordnance P-14! Hahahahahaha RX-79G, as soon as I get the Grand Power back from "the babysitter" (I travel to Canada quite often) I will get pictures of that for you. That's one angle I completely neglected and offer my apologies for that. I myself prefer a decocker, hence one small reason I love my P-07 and soon-to-have P-01.

August 13, 2014, 09:03 PM	#10
Valerko Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2012 Location: NY Posts: 184	Where's video??

August 14, 2014, 01:15 AM	#11
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	I haven't gotten into that realm yet, just taking as best pics as I can.

August 14, 2014, 01:32 AM	#12
RX-79G Junior member Join Date: October 27, 2013 Posts: 1,139	There are many videos on Youtube. Enjoy.

August 14, 2014, 07:38 AM	#13
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Has anyone "torture-tested" a Grand Power yet? Sounds silly, but that's what I really want to see - how this gun holds up under a variety of extreme abuse situations. Why? Because I'd really like to replace my Glock 17 with the Grand Power.

August 14, 2014, 03:00 PM	#14
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	I haven't been able to find out what the requirements are for this testing or what other competing firearms were undergoing testing, but this is taken directly from the Grand Power website: The short time that I have had mine has caused me to fall in love with it even though my CZ is my #1 EDC. If I could somehow get the safety reconfigured as a decocker, my CZ's might have a fight on their hands hahahahahaha.

August 14, 2014, 03:23 PM	#16
RX-79G Junior member Join Date: October 27, 2013 Posts: 1,139	One or two guns have them - 1911 and Beretta 92 you might have heard of.

August 14, 2014, 08:35 PM	#19
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Boy! Since their parting of the ways from the former Czechoslovakia, the Slovak Republic sure is carrying separatism to an extreme. __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE

August 19, 2014, 09:39 PM	#20
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Well, this sucks! I'm on my last 9 days of work and it doesn't look like I'm gonna be able to get back through Iowa to get my GP back before my time off. So my next range report may be on hold for awhile gang...

August 20, 2014, 07:22 AM	#21
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	What large capacity magazines are available for the Grand Power?

August 20, 2014, 01:52 PM	#22
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	RX, look at the pic of the barrels again. Moving closer to the muzzle from the breech area, there is a big rounded lug that goes slightly over half way around the barrel. When the barrel is rotated, this rounded lug will fit into slots in the slide. The result is that the barrel and slide are firmly locked together. While the details differ from the current Beretta design (Px4 and earlier the Cougar) the idea is the same. And I was very impressed by the way the rotating barrel design reduced muzzle jump on the Cougar (9mm) and the Px4 (.40S&W). So this gun excites me. Bart Noir __________________ Be of good cheer and mindful of your gun muzzle! Last edited by Bart Noir; August 23, 2014 at 01:33 AM.

August 20, 2014, 02:08 PM	#23
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	Congrats to all of you So far nobody has mixed up the Republic of Slovenia (Slovenia) with the place where this gun was made, the Slovak Republic (Slovakia). That says a lot about our forum members, as this has to be one of the easiest geographic mistakes a person can make these days. Bart Noir Who still remembers when there was an Upper Volta, which had nothing to do with Nicola Tesla. __________________ Be of good cheer and mindful of your gun muzzle!

August 23, 2014, 01:36 AM	#25
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	RX, I realized I screwed the pooch in my locking description earlier. How embarrassing The barrel and slide will not lock into the frame, of course they will not. The gun would not operate if they did. I have amended my post and promise to think a little harder before I talk to you guys again. Bart Noir Who searches for an an excuse. Low blood sugar levels, maybe? __________________ Be of good cheer and mindful of your gun muzzle!