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April 4, 2013, 12:46 PM | #1 |
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Accuse me of being an old man: not sure about extended mags
I see the new Remington 870 (home defense model or some such) has a long one piece magazine tube (like an mossberg 500/590).
Isn't this the way to go? Why don't Remington and mossberg and whoever else ditch the mag extensions and make 1 piece tubes on any of their large capacity guns instead of the extensions? |
April 4, 2013, 02:26 PM | #2 |
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Because some folks don't want all that extra weight way out front?
Because some places may have restrictions against them? Because if folks want to switch to using different barrels, they would then not be able to? There might be one or two more |
April 4, 2013, 02:28 PM | #3 |
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Because some folks can only afford one shotgun that has to do double-duty. You can't carry an 8-shot 870 into the duck woods. The Game & Fish folks frown on that.
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I prefer the field mag tube as standard with the option for an extended capacity mag tube. Perhaps the manufacturers think that there are more customers who like my preferences than customers who don't. Also, there may be a dollar consideration too, like getting to sell another gun part.
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Trying to insert/remove a plug,
for compliance with the 3 shot limit on doves and waterfowl, then no limit for everything else, might be problematic.
As for some not wanting the extra weight, just don't load it to 8 shot capacity, even if it's legal.
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Barrel options are not up to those of standard length tube barrels...
And have you ever tried to strap an 18 inch barrel onto a gun with an 8 round mag tube? Brent |
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Re: Accuse me of being an old man: not sure about extended mags
I understand the shorter mag tube allows for different barrels. But I mentioned and am discussing 7/8 round models.
Is it really that common for people to just one one shotgun with multiple barrels anymore vs owning different guns set up for different purposes? |
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My father just bought a 870 tactical, it has nearly a full length one piece tube magazine, the barrel lug is much farther forward than on a standard hunting shotgun.
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Re: Accuse me of being an old man: not sure about extended mags
I do feel this conversation is getting sidetracked. I get why some would want the flexibility to switch barrels. However I content that a large portion of gun owners have no need for shotguns beyond defense.
Mossberg has the long fixed length tubes on their 500/590 defense shotguns. Remington now does with their 870 home defense. Will we start to see long fixed mag tubes on 930 and 1100/1187 shotguns and other semi-autos? I believe the FN FLP has a fixed tube. Is not the long fixed tube more reliable and sturdier than the guns with extensions? |
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That's their same reasoning for banning "assault rifles" because you don't need one for hunting You are also forgetting all of those target shooters There are more shotguns used for target shooting than there are for HD. Folks really need to think beyond the 870/500 pump gun as the only shotguns out there |
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Re: Accuse me of being an old man: not sure about extended mags
Ha! What? I'm saying the opposite. You may very well need and want a shotgun for defense and not for birds. I'm no Joe Biden.
I'm saying they have no need for a long barreled low capacity hunting style shotgun. Not that they shouldn't be allowed it, they just don't want it as they aren't going clay shooting, goose, duck or turkey hunting. But not having a need for one to hunt with absolutely doesn't mean you don't have a need and right to have one for defense. |
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Yes, but it's still cheaper to buy an extra (shorter) barrel and a mag extension that you can stick back on for HD after you get back from the woods, than it is to buy a whole new shotgun.
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Re: Accuse me of being an old man: not sure about extended mags
Not arguing that you shouldn't just have one shotgun with different barrels if that's what you'd like.
For my purposes I don't need anything but a short barrel. |
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Do you want a short barrel or a shortish barrel. The former needs a short tube. And I hardly consider six round to be "low capacity" and eight to be high capacity. So my hd gun has an eighteen inch barrel and six rounds... so does my hunting gun
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I actually do need more than 1 barrel. I need:
ETA: Well, I guess it depends on how we define "need," to be honest. Could I hunt the woods with a long barrel? Yeah, but it's a pain. Could I hunt the fields with a short barrel? Yeah, but I prefer a long barrel for it.
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MY short barrels are 26" my medium barrels are 28-30" my normal barrels are 32-34" but MY uses and needs are different than Spats |
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I don't see any advantage to a one piece over an extension. Having the extension offers the versatility of having a +2 up to a +5 or more magazine depending on what the user wants. With a fixed magtube you have what you get.
I own a couple extensions for my 870's. I've tried them and really just prefer to keep the standard mag, 4+1 works for me and makes for a quicker pointing lighter gun. I suppose if I ever really felt the need I could quickly set up 2 of my hunting guns with shorter barrels and 7+1 mag capacity. In addition to the longer field barrels I also have a 21" turkey barrel and a 20" rifle sighted barrel. |
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You are charged with being an old man. You are sentenced to remaining so for life.
Seriously, I for one don't think it a big deal. Stepping back and looking at the current situation, this is the bone I can toss them. |
April 7, 2013, 02:28 PM | #24 |
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I don't have the need or desire to own a shotgun with an extended mag tube.
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Simply buying into the "need" argument is to lose rights.
As Americans we do not need to explain our wants. If you want it that is all that is 'needed'. |
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