Tell me what this stuff is

jd3020 · November 10, 2012, 10:00 PM

Hey guys we bought a savage axis for my dad back in march for his birthday and we have been having some issues getting his scope sighted in. Upon breaking the gun down and inspecting every thing right around the barrel nut and threads there are these little bb looking things. They are metal and I can't for the life of me figure out where they came from. Can any one enlighten me on what they might be. I will try to get a picture loaded up of them.

the rifleer · November 10, 2012, 10:35 PM

Pics would help alot, sounds like ball bearings. I don't have that rifle so I dont know what it would be.

jimmy lowboy · November 11, 2012, 12:08 AM

It might be shot peen from a blast cleaning operation. Sometimes the shot sticks to quench oil and the wash operation fails to remove it.

warbirdlover · November 11, 2012, 12:18 AM

jimmy lowboy probably has the answer. That is a common problem when shot blasting.

jd3020 · November 11, 2012, 10:04 AM

here is the picture.
dads gun.jpg
they are sitting in oil and that is what is sticking them to the barrel and threads.

warbirdlover · November 11, 2012, 11:08 AM

Yup. That's steel shot from shot blasting. Get that stuff out of there! It's hardened and can damage your gun. Poor job of cleaning and inspecting at the factory.

jd3020 · November 16, 2012, 07:03 AM

i find this really funny. I took this gun to my local gun shop last night to have them pull the barrel nut off just to clean that stuff out. They freaked out about it. They said it wasnt a good idea becuase you have to reset the head space and all that jazz which i figured they would have to do i mean they are a gun shop. And then the guy proceeds to tell me just get what you can out and it will be fine. And he even said dont mess with it at all it wont hurt the gun. Im starting to not like my local gun shop. Its really sad when i have bought just about all my guns from them and yet when i drive a mile and a half down the road i can get a gun of the same thing 100 cheaper at a place that should be higher then the gun shop!!!! Oh well i will find some one who can get it cleaned out i guess.

**Mike Irwin** · November 16, 2012, 07:24 AM

Get in touch with Savage and see what they have to say about it.

tobnpr · November 16, 2012, 08:45 AM

Looks simple enough to remove with some compressed air, or a toothbrush...
But I can't really see how they could be in a position to cause damage, though they clearly shouldn't be there...

Why does that look like a recoil lug recess to me (that's missing the lug...).

Is that the top of the action?

**Mike Irwin** · November 16, 2012, 09:46 AM

'But I can't really see how they could be in a position to cause damage'

If that stuff is in the threads on the barrel nut, which it may well be, it could have caused significant damage.

jd3020 · November 16, 2012, 08:03 PM

if you could see between the barrel and the nut you would see them in there as well. I bought the gun back in march for my dad for his birthday and i didnt pay to close of attention to it i just wrapped it up and gave it to him. When we went to sight it in and had the issues with the scope is when i discovered all of this. Just getting some opinions on what i should do. Some say leave it or used compressed air to clear it others say tear it apart. Maybe savage will take it back and clean it.

tobnpr · November 16, 2012, 10:29 PM

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If that stuff is in the threads on the barrel nut, which it may well be, it could have caused significant damage.

Savage bead blasts after assembly. Yep, a shortcut...
But, there's no way for the media to get into the threads of the assembled action/barrel once the nut is in place and torqued to spec before blasting.

Now, loosening the barrel nut if one ever wants to change the barrel would obviously mean it all needs to come out or you'll screw up the threads.

http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...barrel-threads

MarkDozier · November 17, 2012, 01:27 AM

Your LGS is not really a gunsmith, which would be the perfered person to do any work you are not comfortable to do yourself.
Second if it don't belong on the gun get it off/out of there.

**Mike Irwin** · November 17, 2012, 09:03 AM

"Savage bead blasts after assembly. Yep, a shortcut..."

Ah. That's interesting to know.

jhenry · November 17, 2012, 09:46 AM

Certainly Savage should have gotten all that stuff off of there after the shot blasting operation, but I don't feel there is anything to really worry about. I would go get a dental pick or some similar tool and just flip those little boogers out of there and call it good. It is difficult to imagine that any would be in the recesses for the lugs or anything but I would look real well for any strays. Makes you wonder how many rifles are floating around with that stuff still stuck to them. Most folks never ever take the barreled action out of the gun anyway so who knows.

tobnpr · November 17, 2012, 01:20 PM

Please clarify what I'm looking at in the pic...
It looks like the bottom side of the action, because I see what looks like a hole for the front action screw at the very bottom of the photo.

I'm still trying to understand what the recess is in the action. If that's the bottom of the action, sure looks like the recoil lug should be there- but it's not.

Where's the recoil lug??

Bailey Boat · November 18, 2012, 08:33 AM

The Axis series has the recoil lug built into the stock if I'm not mistaken..... The shot being in the recess was probably keeping the action from firmly bedding with the stock and hence the issues with sighting in....

tobnpr · November 18, 2012, 10:50 AM

If that's the case, then there's no question there's an issue not only with regard to your point, but it's definitely gonna cause abrasive wear on the lug and barrel threads every time the rifle recoils.

That shot needs to come out of there, ASAP.

oneoldsap · November 18, 2012, 11:02 AM

It doesn't look like anything compressed air won't cure in about one heartbeat .

jd3020 · November 18, 2012, 08:42 PM

What you are looking at is actually the barrel nut. The shot is down in the top of the nut as well. I couldn't get a good picture of it tho

tobnpr · November 19, 2012, 07:03 PM

I know I'm looking at the barrel nut...
Bailey is correct, the recoil lug on the Axis is embedded in the stock (on most rifles it is part of the barreled action) and fits into the recess where your shotblasting residue resides.

You need to remove it to avoid damaging the barrel and nut threads, and as he also observed was likely causing the issues with accuracy. The shot built up around the edges of the recess will prevent the lug from seating correctly.

Hook686 · November 19, 2012, 11:50 PM

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Get in touch with Savage and see what they have to say about it.

Good advice from Mike I'm thinking. You have a very good picture to send to them.

the rifleer · November 19, 2012, 11:53 PM

Doesn't bead blasting make the finish adhere better?

oneoldsap · November 20, 2012, 03:53 PM

That's not beadblasting , it's called shot peening and I have no idea why Savage would be doing that . Shot peening is usually used on cast parts to remove mold marks and provide an even texture , without removing metal !

November 10, 2012, 10:00 PM	#1
jd3020 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: mo Posts: 181	Tell me what this stuff is Hey guys we bought a savage axis for my dad back in march for his birthday and we have been having some issues getting his scope sighted in. Upon breaking the gun down and inspecting every thing right around the barrel nut and threads there are these little bb looking things. They are metal and I can't for the life of me figure out where they came from. Can any one enlighten me on what they might be. I will try to get a picture loaded up of them. __________________ "Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid." ¯ John Wayne "If guns kill people then i can blame mis-spelled words on my pencil"

November 10, 2012, 10:35 PM	#2
the rifleer Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2008 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,281	Pics would help alot, sounds like ball bearings. I don't have that rifle so I dont know what it would be. __________________ There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people.

November 11, 2012, 10:04 AM	#5
jd3020 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: mo Posts: 181	here is the picture. dads gun.jpg they are sitting in oil and that is what is sticking them to the barrel and threads. __________________ "Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid." ¯ John Wayne "If guns kill people then i can blame mis-spelled words on my pencil"

November 16, 2012, 07:03 AM	#7
jd3020 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: mo Posts: 181	i find this really funny. I took this gun to my local gun shop last night to have them pull the barrel nut off just to clean that stuff out. They freaked out about it. They said it wasnt a good idea becuase you have to reset the head space and all that jazz which i figured they would have to do i mean they are a gun shop. And then the guy proceeds to tell me just get what you can out and it will be fine. And he even said dont mess with it at all it wont hurt the gun. Im starting to not like my local gun shop. Its really sad when i have bought just about all my guns from them and yet when i drive a mile and a half down the road i can get a gun of the same thing 100 cheaper at a place that should be higher then the gun shop!!!! Oh well i will find some one who can get it cleaned out i guess. __________________ "Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid." ¯ John Wayne "If guns kill people then i can blame mis-spelled words on my pencil"

November 16, 2012, 07:24 AM	#8
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,381	Get in touch with Savage and see what they have to say about it. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 11, 2012, 12:08 AM	#3
jimmy lowboy Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Posts: 19	It might be shot peen from a blast cleaning operation. Sometimes the shot sticks to quench oil and the wash operation fails to remove it.

November 11, 2012, 12:18 AM	#4
warbirdlover Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2009 Location: central Wisconsin Posts: 2,324	jimmy lowboy probably has the answer. That is a common problem when shot blasting.

November 11, 2012, 11:08 AM	#6
warbirdlover Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2009 Location: central Wisconsin Posts: 2,324	Yup. That's steel shot from shot blasting. Get that stuff out of there! It's hardened and can damage your gun. Poor job of cleaning and inspecting at the factory.

November 16, 2012, 08:45 AM	#9
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	Looks simple enough to remove with some compressed air, or a toothbrush... But I can't really see how they could be in a position to cause damage, though they clearly shouldn't be there... Why does that look like a recoil lug recess to me (that's missing the lug...). Is that the top of the action?

November 16, 2012, 09:46 AM	#10
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,381	'But I can't really see how they could be in a position to cause damage' If that stuff is in the threads on the barrel nut, which it may well be, it could have caused significant damage. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 16, 2012, 08:03 PM	#11
jd3020 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: mo Posts: 181	if you could see between the barrel and the nut you would see them in there as well. I bought the gun back in march for my dad for his birthday and i didnt pay to close of attention to it i just wrapped it up and gave it to him. When we went to sight it in and had the issues with the scope is when i discovered all of this. Just getting some opinions on what i should do. Some say leave it or used compressed air to clear it others say tear it apart. Maybe savage will take it back and clean it. __________________ "Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid." ¯ John Wayne "If guns kill people then i can blame mis-spelled words on my pencil"

November 17, 2012, 01:27 AM	#13
MarkDozier Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2010 Posts: 363	Your LGS is not really a gunsmith, which would be the perfered person to do any work you are not comfortable to do yourself. Second if it don't belong on the gun get it off/out of there.

November 17, 2012, 09:03 AM	#14
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,381	"Savage bead blasts after assembly. Yep, a shortcut..." Ah. That's interesting to know. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 17, 2012, 09:46 AM	#15
jhenry Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,840	Certainly Savage should have gotten all that stuff off of there after the shot blasting operation, but I don't feel there is anything to really worry about. I would go get a dental pick or some similar tool and just flip those little boogers out of there and call it good. It is difficult to imagine that any would be in the recesses for the lugs or anything but I would look real well for any strays. Makes you wonder how many rifles are floating around with that stuff still stuck to them. Most folks never ever take the barreled action out of the gun anyway so who knows. __________________ "A Liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory". - Charles Krauthammer

November 17, 2012, 01:20 PM	#16
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	Please clarify what I'm looking at in the pic... It looks like the bottom side of the action, because I see what looks like a hole for the front action screw at the very bottom of the photo. I'm still trying to understand what the recess is in the action. If that's the bottom of the action, sure looks like the recoil lug should be there- but it's not. Where's the recoil lug??

November 18, 2012, 08:33 AM	#17
Bailey Boat Junior member Join Date: December 10, 2006 Location: NC Posts: 365	The Axis series has the recoil lug built into the stock if I'm not mistaken..... The shot being in the recess was probably keeping the action from firmly bedding with the stock and hence the issues with sighting in....

November 18, 2012, 10:50 AM	#18
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	If that's the case, then there's no question there's an issue not only with regard to your point, but it's definitely gonna cause abrasive wear on the lug and barrel threads every time the rifle recoils. That shot needs to come out of there, ASAP.

November 18, 2012, 11:02 AM	#19
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	It doesn't look like anything compressed air won't cure in about one heartbeat .

November 18, 2012, 08:42 PM	#20
jd3020 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: mo Posts: 181	What you are looking at is actually the barrel nut. The shot is down in the top of the nut as well. I couldn't get a good picture of it tho __________________ "Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid." ¯ John Wayne "If guns kill people then i can blame mis-spelled words on my pencil"

November 19, 2012, 07:03 PM	#21
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	I know I'm looking at the barrel nut... Bailey is correct, the recoil lug on the Axis is embedded in the stock (on most rifles it is part of the barreled action) and fits into the recess where your shotblasting residue resides. You need to remove it to avoid damaging the barrel and nut threads, and as he also observed was likely causing the issues with accuracy. The shot built up around the edges of the recess will prevent the lug from seating correctly.

November 19, 2012, 11:53 PM	#23
the rifleer Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2008 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,281	Doesn't bead blasting make the finish adhere better? __________________ There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people.

November 20, 2012, 03:53 PM	#24
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	That's not beadblasting , it's called shot peening and I have no idea why Savage would be doing that . Shot peening is usually used on cast parts to remove mold marks and provide an even texture , without removing metal !