The Marine Corps New Shotgun

Hard Ball · May 4, 2000, 10:01 PM

The Marine Corps has adopted the new M1014 Combat Shotgun system. it will supplement or replace existing service inventories o 12 gage pump action shotguns,
The M1014 was devekoped by Heckler & Koch and Benelli. It is a semiautomatic shotgun which can chanber and fire either 2 3/4 inch or 3 inch 12 gage shotgun shells. it is gas operated and semiautomatic, It has a tubular magazine which can hole either nine 2 3/4 inch orseven 3 inch 12 gage shotgun shells. IT will have an 18.5 inch barrel with screw in internal choke tubes. It will have rifle sights and a ghost ring rear sight. The Marine Corps has type classified the M1914 and plans to procure 4,000 weapons in the next 12 months. Thr Army will continue to test the M1014 and wikk make a procurement decsion on or beforeSeptember 2001,

Coinneach · May 4, 2000, 10:32 PM

Moving to Shotguns.

Coronach · May 4, 2000, 11:25 PM

Interesting. Any pictures? How is its reliability/performance?

Mike

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Sea Bass · May 5, 2000, 12:19 AM

It's pictured in the new Benelli catalog.

ModIMark0 · May 5, 2000, 12:56 AM

If this is the case, then I hope that the Marines will sell off the Remington 870 Mk.I's (and parts) that they have had in their inventory for over 30 years. I have wanted one of the Mk.I's for about 8 years (about the first time I saw it).

Dave McC · May 5, 2000, 05:19 AM

Interesting, Hardball,thanks for posting. I've been expecting the adoption of a semi-auto for quite a while.

Does anyone here know about the first Military Semi Auto shotgun? It was the venerable Remington Model 11, used in trench warfare in WWI.

Finally, after all those semi autos are issued,used and retired, the 870s they replaced will still be going and going and going, IF the Govt releases them to surplus. THIS administration is more likely to cut them up.

Icopy · May 5, 2000, 07:50 AM

Check out HKPRO.Com for info on the M4. Specials Weapons for law enforcement magazine, I think that's the one, just did a great article on it. It will be available for civilian sale after the Marine get theirs. Of course, the civilian version probally won't have the collaspable stock.

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Gorthaur · May 5, 2000, 11:37 AM

It'll be interesting to see what the civilian version will look like. I'd guess the telescoping stock won't be an option. According to the Benelli catalog, there are three different stock options.

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Shin-Tao · May 5, 2000, 02:27 PM

@#&*$#!! Now I gotta go re-enlist!!

Gorthaur · May 5, 2000, 02:38 PM

They also mention being able to speed load five shells at a time with some kind of loader. Kewl.

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tackdriver · May 5, 2000, 03:21 PM

good thing it isn't ugly

Hard Ball · May 5, 2000, 03:58 PM

The Coast Guard is going to adopt it too. They believe it will be quite handy for boarding parties when they stop ships or boats they suspect are carrying drugs or illegal aliens.

Eric of IN · May 5, 2000, 05:57 PM

Hard Ball, It doesn't surprise me that the CG let the Marines develop the gun, and then they come along and say "We think that would be good for... Can we have the design?" They've been doing it for years. They don't have much money for R&D, and what little they do have normaly goes into stuff that only they do. The 47' Motor Surf Boat comes to mind. They developed that, but their main land based helo, the Jayhawk is an adapted Blackhawk. The 110' Patrol Boat was lifted from the Brits. A lot of the smaller Aids TO Navigation (ATON) boats are converted fishing boats. The USCG is the most frugal of the services, and they can get away with it, because who's going to say "no" to the people who may be pulling you out of the drink?

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Russell · May 5, 2000, 06:17 PM

The Civie version can only have one of the following thanks to the 94' AW since its a semi auto shotgun

1)Pistol grip stock
2)folding or telescoping stock
3)magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds
4)Detachable magazine with capacity limited to 5 rounds (since it doesn't have a detach mag, this does not apply)

If it was me I would go with the full magazine capacity and a standard stock. That telescoping stock just looks too wierd to me, I wouldn't get it even if it was an option, I would probably just get a standard pistol grip stock if that was available.

Spectre · May 5, 2000, 07:26 PM

Review. I wonder if the collapsed stock's length of pull would be long enough for shoulder fire for smaller shooters like myself?

robins · May 5, 2000, 08:10 PM

Not wanting to start a war, just asking: So if this is what the marine corp is going to use for warfare, how does this fit in with the topic posted recently of pistol grip-stock vs. regular stock where the majority said regular stock was the only way to go?

Al Thompson · May 5, 2000, 08:29 PM

Robins - a full length stock with a pistol grip vrs. one with a "standard" (semi-pistol) grip is a non-issue.

What most of us don't reccommend is the pistol grip only shotguns. (Moss 500 Persuader, Pachmyer replacements, etc) Time and again, they just don't work well.

I have both qualified with and competed with pistol grip only guns. None of mine are equipped with one now.

Giz

Hard Ball · May 5, 2000, 08:31 PM

Yhe Marine Corps resolutely refuses to be part of any majority.

robins · May 5, 2000, 08:32 PM

Couldn't agree more. Just got me confused since I tried to clarify the issue in that post and it still seemed that if it had any pistol grip on the weapon at all, it was somehow inferior.

Anyway, glad that's cleared up. Thanks.

Dave McC · May 6, 2000, 07:19 AM

A coupla things....

I see no bayonet lug. Are Uncle Sam's Misguided Children abandoning cold steel on what's obviously a CQ weapon?

As for ammo, I'd be surprised if they hadn't researched the idea of shorter cases,to up the mag capacity a bit.7 3inch=9 2.75inch= X 2 inch. And, speed loaders for tube mags have been around since the days of the Spencer, in the Civil War.

And what about slugs, specialty ammo like fletchettes,etc?

And finally, did the specs call for an ambi safety?

Hard Ball · May 6, 2000, 12:36 PM

Dave:
Most shotguns are not designed to endure the stress amd strains imposed on the weapon during bayonet fighting. If it were, the weight of the shotgun would be incresed two or more ponds.

Sea Bass · May 6, 2000, 08:40 PM

I thought that speed-loading aren't reliable?
Any opionions on loading tubes?

Gorthaur · May 6, 2000, 11:00 PM

The implication is that this design works with speedloaders. The catalog says: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That bulge at the bottom of the receiver lets the soldier cram five fresh rounds from a speedloader into the tubular magazine.[/quote]

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Ned Roundtree · May 7, 2000, 06:18 AM

Great looking shotgun. Thanks for the post.

fal308 · May 7, 2000, 08:32 AM

There have been a couple of postings on the M4 here before. Use the search feature with the words [i]Benelli/i] and M4. One of the postings lists some of the specs and requirements IIRC.

May 4, 2000, 10:01 PM	#1
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	The Marine Corps has adopted the new M1014 Combat Shotgun system. it will supplement or replace existing service inventories o 12 gage pump action shotguns, The M1014 was devekoped by Heckler & Koch and Benelli. It is a semiautomatic shotgun which can chanber and fire either 2 3/4 inch or 3 inch 12 gage shotgun shells. it is gas operated and semiautomatic, It has a tubular magazine which can hole either nine 2 3/4 inch orseven 3 inch 12 gage shotgun shells. IT will have an 18.5 inch barrel with screw in internal choke tubes. It will have rifle sights and a ghost ring rear sight. The Marine Corps has type classified the M1914 and plans to procure 4,000 weapons in the next 12 months. Thr Army will continue to test the M1014 and wikk make a procurement decsion on or beforeSeptember 2001,

May 4, 2000, 10:32 PM	#2
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	Moving to Shotguns.

May 4, 2000, 11:25 PM	#3
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	Interesting. Any pictures? How is its reliability/performance? Mike ------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

May 5, 2000, 12:19 AM	#4
Sea Bass Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 1999 Location: CA Posts: 176	It's pictured in the new Benelli catalog.

May 5, 2000, 12:56 AM	#5
ModIMark0 Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Minneapolis,MN, U.S.A. Posts: 243	If this is the case, then I hope that the Marines will sell off the Remington 870 Mk.I's (and parts) that they have had in their inventory for over 30 years. I have wanted one of the Mk.I's for about 8 years (about the first time I saw it).

May 5, 2000, 05:19 AM	#6
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Interesting, Hardball,thanks for posting. I've been expecting the adoption of a semi-auto for quite a while. Does anyone here know about the first Military Semi Auto shotgun? It was the venerable Remington Model 11, used in trench warfare in WWI. Finally, after all those semi autos are issued,used and retired, the 870s they replaced will still be going and going and going, IF the Govt releases them to surplus. THIS administration is more likely to cut them up.

May 5, 2000, 07:50 AM	#7
Icopy Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Posts: 340	Check out HKPRO.Com for info on the M4. Specials Weapons for law enforcement magazine, I think that's the one, just did a great article on it. It will be available for civilian sale after the Marine get theirs. Of course, the civilian version probally won't have the collaspable stock. [This message has been edited by Icopy (edited May 05, 2000).]

May 5, 2000, 11:37 AM	#8
Gorthaur Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2000 Posts: 846	It'll be interesting to see what the civilian version will look like. I'd guess the telescoping stock won't be an option. According to the Benelli catalog, there are three different stock options. ------------------ Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!

May 5, 2000, 02:27 PM	#9
Shin-Tao Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2000 Posts: 1,528	@#&*$#!! Now I gotta go re-enlist!!

May 5, 2000, 02:38 PM	#10
Gorthaur Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2000 Posts: 846	They also mention being able to speed load five shells at a time with some kind of loader. Kewl. ------------------ Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!

May 5, 2000, 03:21 PM	#11
tackdriver Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2000 Location: Bedford County, Virginia Posts: 505	good thing it isn't ugly

May 5, 2000, 03:58 PM	#12
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	The Coast Guard is going to adopt it too. They believe it will be quite handy for boarding parties when they stop ships or boats they suspect are carrying drugs or illegal aliens.

May 5, 2000, 05:57 PM	#13
Eric of IN Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2000 Posts: 425	Hard Ball, It doesn't surprise me that the CG let the Marines develop the gun, and then they come along and say "We think that would be good for... Can we have the design?" They've been doing it for years. They don't have much money for R&D, and what little they do have normaly goes into stuff that only they do. The 47' Motor Surf Boat comes to mind. They developed that, but their main land based helo, the Jayhawk is an adapted Blackhawk. The 110' Patrol Boat was lifted from the Brits. A lot of the smaller Aids TO Navigation (ATON) boats are converted fishing boats. The USCG is the most frugal of the services, and they can get away with it, because who's going to say "no" to the people who may be pulling you out of the drink? ------------------ Formerly Puddle Pirate. Teach a kid to shoot. It annoys the antis.

May 5, 2000, 06:17 PM	#14
Russell Member Join Date: January 15, 2000 Posts: 53	The Civie version can only have one of the following thanks to the 94' AW since its a semi auto shotgun 1)Pistol grip stock 2)folding or telescoping stock 3)magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds 4)Detachable magazine with capacity limited to 5 rounds (since it doesn't have a detach mag, this does not apply) If it was me I would go with the full magazine capacity and a standard stock. That telescoping stock just looks too wierd to me, I wouldn't get it even if it was an option, I would probably just get a standard pistol grip stock if that was available.

May 5, 2000, 07:26 PM	#15
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	Review. I wonder if the collapsed stock's length of pull would be long enough for shoulder fire for smaller shooters like myself?

May 5, 2000, 08:10 PM	#16
robins Member Join Date: November 19, 1998 Location: Crestwood, KY, USA Posts: 63	Not wanting to start a war, just asking: So if this is what the marine corp is going to use for warfare, how does this fit in with the topic posted recently of pistol grip-stock vs. regular stock where the majority said regular stock was the only way to go?

May 5, 2000, 08:29 PM	#17
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Robins - a full length stock with a pistol grip vrs. one with a "standard" (semi-pistol) grip is a non-issue. What most of us don't reccommend is the pistol grip only shotguns. (Moss 500 Persuader, Pachmyer replacements, etc) Time and again, they just don't work well. I have both qualified with and competed with pistol grip only guns. None of mine are equipped with one now. Giz

May 5, 2000, 08:31 PM	#18
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Yhe Marine Corps resolutely refuses to be part of any majority.

May 5, 2000, 08:32 PM	#19
robins Member Join Date: November 19, 1998 Location: Crestwood, KY, USA Posts: 63	Couldn't agree more. Just got me confused since I tried to clarify the issue in that post and it still seemed that if it had any pistol grip on the weapon at all, it was somehow inferior. Anyway, glad that's cleared up. Thanks.

May 6, 2000, 07:19 AM	#20
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	A coupla things.... I see no bayonet lug. Are Uncle Sam's Misguided Children abandoning cold steel on what's obviously a CQ weapon? As for ammo, I'd be surprised if they hadn't researched the idea of shorter cases,to up the mag capacity a bit.7 3inch=9 2.75inch= X 2 inch. And, speed loaders for tube mags have been around since the days of the Spencer, in the Civil War. And what about slugs, specialty ammo like fletchettes,etc? And finally, did the specs call for an ambi safety?

May 6, 2000, 12:36 PM	#21
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Dave: Most shotguns are not designed to endure the stress amd strains imposed on the weapon during bayonet fighting. If it were, the weight of the shotgun would be incresed two or more ponds.

May 6, 2000, 08:40 PM	#22
Sea Bass Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 1999 Location: CA Posts: 176	I thought that speed-loading aren't reliable? Any opionions on loading tubes?

May 6, 2000, 11:00 PM	#23
Gorthaur Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2000 Posts: 846	The implication is that this design works with speedloaders. The catalog says: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That bulge at the bottom of the receiver lets the soldier cram five fresh rounds from a speedloader into the tubular magazine.[/quote] ------------------ Protect your Right to Keep and Bear Arms!

May 7, 2000, 06:18 AM	#24
Ned Roundtree Senior Member Join Date: December 8, 1999 Location: Lexington, KY,USA Posts: 738	Great looking shotgun. Thanks for the post.

May 7, 2000, 08:32 AM	#25
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	There have been a couple of postings on the M4 here before. Use the search feature with the words [i]Benelli/i] and M4. One of the postings lists some of the specs and requirements IIRC.