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Story this morning of how the Department of Justice is trying to deflect blame for Project Gunrunner to local officials.
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Guess they've stalled long enough to get their cover stories straight. This is probably the first shot in the big cover up. Here's hoping local officials realize they are being sold out and start to sing like canaries. |
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http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp...chain-bad.html
A long post from one of the people who broke the story originally. Are you starting to connect the dots? This involved not only the ATF and DoJ but also DEA, State Department and more. Another interesting thread on another forum: PAFOA.ORG Pennsylvania's leading gun forum. The thread is under National news and has now 28 pages. As I said there, we know the media is willing to look the other way but where the hell is the outcry from more members of congress? If your Congress-critter gets a good grade from the NRA and is not raising hell about this issue then he/she is useless and so are the NRA! Obama is now courting the Latino vote in the SW. Campaign time is upon us. Will anyone ask the tough questions of how this scandal was allowed to go forward? Last edited by 2guns; May 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM. |
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David Workman (Seattle Gun Rights Examiner) has some disclosures by BATF agent Dobyns, who asserts that both the President and Eric Holder knew of the project.
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...ate-took-place |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_860528.html
Now the Obama administration is serious.....about putting a nice face on this scandal. Hiring a Public relations guy to run cover for them is a sign they are feeling the heat. Keep pushing! |
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Nice way of repaying him by throwing him before the wolves, I'd say. ...which is exactly what those sympathetic to the administration are subtly trying to paint Issa as. Sadly, I do expect to see personal attacks levied at the man.
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They hired a public relations guy to to the BS Tap Dance. Which means another cover up and no transparency as promised by Obama. Dobyns hit the nail right on the head.
I think the heat needs to be turned up by Rep. Issa. Because with Holder at the helm of the DOJ this stuff will never see the light of day.
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Not only did they hire a PR guy; but did you see his past resume? Acted as press for Edwards during the allegations of his extramarital affair, press for Franken during 2008 recount campaign, etc.
It seems this particular PR guy specializes in uh, "difficult" PR. Now my big question is did they hire him to help ATF with Issa or did they hire him to make sure that none of that ends up splattering on the White House? |
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A very long post but well worth reading.
I think it makes clear the answer to the above question; The PR crew recently hired by team Obama is very interested in insuring that this does not come back to haunt the president as he gears up for the re-election campaign. Furthermore, I think this most recent post indicates there is no doubt that AG Holder and O himself knew and approved this scheme. Go read it all: http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp...gunwalker.html |
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Reading the link that 2guns supplied seems to say the DOJ (Eric Holder) knew what was happening and also approved of it.
If the DOJ runs like most departments of the government, Holder gets a daily or weekly update on all ongoing cases.
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After reading that article and others it seems that widespread corrupt FFL Holders selling guns to the cartel were a myth created for PR Purposes. Most of the stuff I have read is that the gun dealers were being good guys and reporting straw man attempts to the ATF. The ATF was telling them to go ahead with the sale.
After reading the stories of Carter Country being bought before a federal grand jury and after the facts were bought to light that they were cooperating at the request of the ATF the case slid into oblivion. Which leads me to beleive that some of the local U.S. Attorneys were not in on the operation because they might have brought it to a screeching halt. It had to be embarrising to the U.S. Attorneys office to find out via the suspect's lawyer that the ATF was behind it. Even fishier that the ATF didn't give him a warning before he started a grand jury on it.
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Just so it's preserved, I did download the Cartel Strategy document. Oh, and I uploaded it here.
It's every bit as incriminating as Mike posits. |
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Thanks for preserving the info. It is good to have someone with tech skills to handle such items. We surely don't want this stuff to mysteriously disappear. Best, 2guns |
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Issa claims: "“We’re not done but what we do know is that the decision for this was not made in Tucson or El Paso or anywhere else,” he said. “It was made in Washington."
I wonder what the difference is between knowing that Project Gunrunner originated in Washington, and proving that Project Gunrunner originated in Washington. http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/17/is...in-washington/ |
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The trick is, Holder could have known that there was an initiative called Operation Gunrunner. He might have known its broad parameters. However, if we're to allege that he knew (and approved) of a specific policy of allowing guns to "walk," we're going to need hard evidence. That's a huge accusation, and one with far-reaching consequences. If we make it without proof, we lose a great deal of credibility. The agents I spoke with in my field division were aware of certain initiatives, but they never suspected that guns were being allowed over the border. They were as shocked as the rest of us, and many opined that somebody at the Phoenix division had gone seriously off the reservation. Though they seemed surprised, a couple conceded that there are folks in the Bureau who possessed such a combination of headstrong and stupid qualities.
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You can delegate authority but not responsibility. Holder is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING that goes on in DOJ. If he did not know of an approved policy or "initiative" then he should have, otherwise he delegated without proper follow-up or supervision. An approving signature carries with it responsibility for whatever whether one asks questions or not. The head of a department is responsible for everything, for who is appointed, promoted, and whatever actions they take on behalf of the dept.
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According to CBS News, there have been some interesting resassignments/replacements at the Phoenix office of the ATF:
Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Bill Newell has been reassigned to ATF Headquarters in Washington DC and replaced by former Detroit SAC, Tom Brandon. ASAC George Gillett (now cooperating with Rep. Issa) has also been reassigned to ATF headquarters in D.C. The other Phoenix ASAC, Jim Needles, Agent David Voth, who directly supervised Fast and Furious, and Agent Hope McAllister have all been assigned to the U.S. Attorney's office in Phoenix. |
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Law and Order, SVI (my wife likes it, sigh) had a convoluted plot which in part centered on guns from an ATF Mexican operation coming to NYC and being involved in a rape/murder. Interestingly, it ended with the ATF agent being arrested by the NYPD with the agent's ATF supervisor happily cooperating with the NYPD.
Not a progun statement intended, just a plot point.
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It's been confirmed. Earlier today, I had read a report by Mike Vanderbough and David Codera that the DEA had "accidentally" uncovered some 5 dozen AK-47 style firearms in what was supposed to be a drug bust.
This has now been confirmed by another source: DEA accidentally finds guns from ATF "gunwalker" by Sharyl Attkisson, CBS News Investigative Reporter. Quote:
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