Home Invasion - Domestic Assault gunfight.

g.willikers · July 12, 2014, 12:21 PM

This was previously presented on another part of the forum, but closed due to being a drive-by.
But it deserves further conversation.
First look at the video, if you haven't.
http://junkyarddog911.blogspot.com/2...s-home-in.html
Pay particular attention to the ten bullet holes in the neighbors' house, across the street.
And also to the history of the people involved, the escalation of the situation, the son being in the military, the failure of the legal system, and the violent entry.
Lots of particulars to discuss here.

**JohnKSa** · July 12, 2014, 02:32 PM

Here's a source that mentions the bullet holes in nearby houses.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/55590973/

I found another source indicating that the assailant fired at least one shot besides the self-inflicted wound and it hit a nearby house.

I assume that the other collateral damage was from the defender's shots.

Here's another story which states that more than 15 rounds were fired in the exchange.

http://www.easybakegunclub.com/news/...ges-gunfi.html

Venom1956 · July 12, 2014, 06:14 PM

Bravo for him. That's some real maturity and bravery for anyone especially a 18 year old fresh out of high school.

TXAZ · July 12, 2014, 07:12 PM

What Venom said, particularly in light of the unfortunate domestic shooting over in Speing Texas this week.

Wyosmith · July 13, 2014, 10:55 AM

Guys, I am pretty knowledgeable about guns, but a lot less so about the internet.
So....would someone here please explain to me what is meant by the phrase "Drive-by"?

GEARHEAD_ENG · July 13, 2014, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyosmith

Guys, I am pretty knowledgeable about guns, but a lot less so about the internet.
So....would someone here please explain to me what is meant by the phrase "Drive-by"?

It's when someone posts a link with no explanation what it is, usually spam.

**Frank Ettin** · July 13, 2014, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyosmith

...would someone here please explain to me what is meant by the phrase "Drive-by"?

Here's what it means on this site and why it's not allowed.

The Rattler · July 13, 2014, 11:47 AM

It would be interesting to learn what type of cartridges were being used. We've all heard of the "nightmare" of shots fired for a good purpose missing the target & hurting someone in a neighboring house or apartment. Many people buy cartridges with avoiding that type of result in mind.

9uc · July 13, 2014, 02:54 PM

Thanks Wyosmith, for asking and GEARHEAD_ENG for the answer on that question. After a 33 year absence from duty carrying and shooting to buying my first gun seven years ago, I too was left guessing what that variation of "Drive-by" meant.

btmj · July 13, 2014, 04:19 PM

in my opinion... the phrase "dive by" is an unfortunate and non-descriptive name... of course everyone gets confused and has to have it explained, how could it be otherwise.

leadcounsel · July 13, 2014, 04:50 PM

Regarding the OP...

1. What failure of the legal system? Restraining orders don't work. Lautenberg punishes innocent people and doesn't work. Can't (and shouldn't) detain innocent people. No real failure, and I for one don't like the over-abused restraining order laws.

2. Life advice - don't date or have kids with jerks. Raise children with values, relationship skills, and not to get into these messy relationships.

3. This played out precisely how it should. Murderous jerk attacks someone, and home owner has a gun and defends himself successfully.

A blunt response, but the only "issues" I see is the 10 misses that hit the neighbor's home. And the fact that the guy gained entry. People should build stronger castles. But in reality, that's nearly impossible to keep out a determined person.

Homeowner +1
Jerk criminal -1

motorhead0922 · July 13, 2014, 05:02 PM

Good job on the part of Conner!

I hope we get more details on what went on. Lots of questions unanswered, such as:

1. Which gun sent 10 bullets into the neighbor's house?
2. Autopsy results: Which bullet killed the assailant?
3. What exactly did the police do when they got there?

Colorado Redneck · July 13, 2014, 09:17 PM

That many gun shots in a close quarters gun fight is not uncommon---IMHO. Many times when police engage in a gun fight with bad guys there are many shots fired with only a few striking the intended target(s). The assailant is moving and shooting, and a young guy---or old guys that are recreational shooters--are unlikely to be successful in taking down the intruder in one or two shots.

Sad story of a violent perp that the justice system was unable to corner and contain before doing something really destructive.

The young man is to be congratulated on his inner strength and willingness to confront the mom's ex boyfriend.

Brit · July 16, 2014, 03:22 AM

So many times the female in a relationship gone bad, has no one to take her side in a violent situation.

This Lady had her 18 year old Son. Good for him.

g.willikers · July 16, 2014, 11:48 AM

Who sez a woman can't be the kick-ass with the gun?

BobCat45 · July 16, 2014, 03:58 PM

g.willikers, she can - if she has the mindset. In general our culture does not encourage girls / women to have what people here call the "warrior mindset" - in fact, it is discouraged as "not feminine" or attractive.

I know young women who shoot match scores that put my best to shame, who hunt and bring home as much meat as anyone, and who would probably prevail in an armed conflict with "your typical bad guy" (as if there were such a thing). But they are few and far between, because culturally they get beaten up for being "bossy" or are derided as "uppity".

I think many men on this Forum are delighted to read about / meet competent women, but many men in the wider population feel threatened when a woman is either intellectually or physically more capable than they are. Until being self-reliant and capable of defensive violence are accepted as integral with being "feminine" our culture will have the problem to which you allude.

One of my cats is named Xena. I think you can imagine her purrsonality.

Brit · July 17, 2014, 03:28 AM

In teaching Lady's to shoot from a duty holster, Security, ATM people, or Police Officers, I have no worries about one of those young Woman being able to do real well in a violent confrontation (some have done so!)

But when a Wife/Girlfriend in a relationship gone bad, obtains a restraining order, from a Court, on average, do not have the ability, for whatever reason, to match the size and fighting ability of that ex partner.

My Wife can shoot, has a CCWL here in Florida, but does not carry. If I pass on (I am older!) I have no doubt in my mind, one of the smaller 9mm pistols will end up in her purse, especially when responsible for one of the munchkins!

When I read of a case were a Ex Spouse kills his family! I boil! Feel so much better when he ends up shot to bits by a determined, protective Woman.

When observed walking with my Wife to the passenger side of the Jeep, opening her door, and helping her inside, people think it is English good manners.

But if you let your significant other walk to her side (if she is not driving) you have no protective control, for about 8 seconds, she is not in your view.

In a dark parking lot, after supper, at 10PM? I consider that is my job.
In the 21 years we have been married (Extremely happily I might add!) there have been times when I have been called upon to protect that lovely 5'3" 124lb, soon to be 70 year old Lady. (I might have over reacted too!)

We have not always lived in Gods Country, Florida. Surrounded by nice people.

July 12, 2014, 12:21 PM	#1
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Home Invasion - Domestic Assault gunfight. This was previously presented on another part of the forum, but closed due to being a drive-by. But it deserves further conversation. First look at the video, if you haven't. http://junkyarddog911.blogspot.com/2...s-home-in.html Pay particular attention to the *ten* bullet holes in the neighbors' house, across the street. And also to the history of the people involved, the escalation of the situation, the son being in the military, the failure of the legal system, and the violent entry. Lots of particulars to discuss here. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

July 12, 2014, 02:32 PM	#2
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,973	Here's a source that mentions the bullet holes in nearby houses. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/55590973/ I found another source indicating that the assailant fired at least one shot besides the self-inflicted wound and it hit a nearby house. I assume that the other collateral damage was from the defender's shots. Here's another story which states that more than 15 rounds were fired in the exchange. http://www.easybakegunclub.com/news/...ges-gunfi.html __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

July 12, 2014, 06:14 PM	#3
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	Bravo for him. That's some real maturity and bravery for anyone especially a 18 year old fresh out of high school. __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

July 12, 2014, 07:12 PM	#4
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	What Venom said, particularly in light of the unfortunate domestic shooting over in Speing Texas this week. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

July 13, 2014, 11:47 AM	#8
The Rattler Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2013 Posts: 111	Tenn. Shootout It would be interesting to learn what type of cartridges were being used. We've all heard of the "nightmare" of shots fired for a good purpose missing the target & hurting someone in a neighboring house or apartment. Many people buy cartridges with avoiding that type of result in mind.

July 13, 2014, 10:55 AM	#5
Wyosmith Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2010 Location: Shoshoni Wyoming Posts: 2,713	Guys, I am pretty knowledgeable about guns, but a lot less so about the internet. So....would someone here please explain to me what is meant by the phrase "Drive-by"?

July 13, 2014, 02:54 PM	#9
9uc Member Join Date: July 8, 2014 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 15	Thanks Wyosmith, for asking and GEARHEAD_ENG for the answer on that question. After a 33 year absence from duty carrying and shooting to buying my first gun seven years ago, I too was left guessing what that variation of "Drive-by" meant. __________________ Then said He unto them.... he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36 RetiredUSAF, *Life Mrb NRA, DVA, VVA, VFW*

July 13, 2014, 04:19 PM	#10
btmj Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2011 Location: Near St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 864	in my opinion... the phrase "dive by" is an unfortunate and non-descriptive name... of course everyone gets confused and has to have it explained, how could it be otherwise.

July 13, 2014, 04:50 PM	#11
leadcounsel Junior member Join Date: September 8, 2005 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 2,119	Regarding the OP... 1. What failure of the legal system? Restraining orders don't work. Lautenberg punishes innocent people and doesn't work. Can't (and shouldn't) detain innocent people. No real failure, and I for one don't like the over-abused restraining order laws. 2. Life advice - don't date or have kids with jerks. Raise children with values, relationship skills, and not to get into these messy relationships. 3. This played out precisely how it should. Murderous jerk attacks someone, and home owner has a gun and defends himself successfully. A blunt response, but the only "issues" I see is the 10 misses that hit the neighbor's home. And the fact that the guy gained entry. People should build stronger castles. But in reality, that's nearly impossible to keep out a determined person. Homeowner +1 Jerk criminal -1

July 13, 2014, 05:02 PM	#12
motorhead0922 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 635	Good job on the part of Conner! I hope we get more details on what went on. Lots of questions unanswered, such as: 1. Which gun sent 10 bullets into the neighbor's house? 2. Autopsy results: Which bullet killed the assailant? 3. What exactly did the police do when they got there? __________________ SAF, ACLDN, IDPA, handgunlaw.us My AmazonSmile benefits SAF I'd rather be carried by 6 than caged by 12. 2020: It's pronounced twenty twenty.

July 13, 2014, 09:17 PM	#13
Colorado Redneck Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2008 Location: Northeast Colorado Posts: 1,993	That many gun shots in a close quarters gun fight is not uncommon---IMHO. Many times when police engage in a gun fight with bad guys there are many shots fired with only a few striking the intended target(s). The assailant is moving and shooting, and a young guy---or old guys that are recreational shooters--are unlikely to be successful in taking down the intruder in one or two shots. Sad story of a violent perp that the justice system was unable to corner and contain before doing something really destructive. The young man is to be congratulated on his inner strength and willingness to confront the mom's ex boyfriend.

July 16, 2014, 03:22 AM	#14
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	So many times the female in a relationship gone bad, has no one to take her side in a violent situation. This Lady had her 18 year old Son. Good for him.

July 16, 2014, 11:48 AM	#15
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Who sez a woman can't be the kick-ass with the gun? __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

July 16, 2014, 03:58 PM	#16
BobCat45 Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: East Bernard, TX Posts: 523	g.willikers, she can - if she has the mindset. In general our culture does not encourage girls / women to have what people here call the "warrior mindset" - in fact, it is discouraged as "not feminine" or attractive. I know young women who shoot match scores that put my best to shame, who hunt and bring home as much meat as anyone, and who would probably prevail in an armed conflict with "your typical bad guy" (as if there were such a thing). But they are few and far between, because culturally they get beaten up for being "bossy" or are derided as "uppity". I think many men on this Forum are delighted to read about / meet competent women, but many men in the wider population feel threatened when a woman is either intellectually or physically more capable than they are. Until being self-reliant and capable of defensive violence are accepted as integral with being "feminine" our culture will have the problem to which you allude. One of my cats is named Xena. I think you can imagine her purrsonality.

July 17, 2014, 03:28 AM	#17
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	In teaching Lady's to shoot from a duty holster, Security, ATM people, or Police Officers, I have no worries about one of those young Woman being able to do real well in a violent confrontation (some have done so!) But when a Wife/Girlfriend in a relationship gone bad, obtains a restraining order, from a Court, on average, do not have the ability, for whatever reason, to match the size and fighting ability of that ex partner. My Wife can shoot, has a CCWL here in Florida, but does not carry. If I pass on (I am older!) I have no doubt in my mind, one of the smaller 9mm pistols will end up in her purse, especially when responsible for one of the munchkins! When I read of a case were a Ex Spouse kills his family! I boil! Feel so much better when he ends up shot to bits by a determined, protective Woman. When observed walking with my Wife to the passenger side of the Jeep, opening her door, and helping her inside, people think it is English good manners. But if you let your significant other walk to her side (if she is not driving) you have no protective control, for about 8 seconds, she is not in your view. In a dark parking lot, after supper, at 10PM? I consider that is my job. In the 21 years we have been married (Extremely happily I might add!) there have been times when I have been called upon to protect that lovely 5'3" 124lb, soon to be 70 year old Lady. (I might have over reacted too!) We have not always lived in Gods Country, Florida. Surrounded by nice people.