Guess if there is Gun Control legilation Introduced, the Dems Will Only Have 59

Wildalaska · February 24, 2009, 07:05 PM

I have said before and i'll say again...additional scary gun control measures are dead in the water in this Congress....the economy sucks and the Dems cant even keep their own ranks in line.

Mark Begich, D AK, AKs Boy Blunder or Mark Garbage as SWMBO calls him (japanese folks take their politics personally) now shows his colours

Begich Co-Sponsors Concealed Weapons Bill
Source: Office of U.S. Senator Mark Begich
Updated: 02/24/2009 02:46:50 PM AKST

In an effort to secure the rights of individuals to lawfully carry concealed firearms across state lines, Sen. Mark Begich is co-sponsoring the Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act.

Currently, Sen. Begich is the only Democrat of the 19 senators co-sponsoring the legislation that allows an individual to lawfully carry a concealed firearm across state lines if they have a valid permit or, if under their state of residence, they are allowed to do so.

"This bill will allow Alaskans who are able to carry a concealed weapon legally in our state, to do so when they travel to other states that have a system of concealed carry laws," Sen. Begich said. "The Second Amendment is of utmost importance to Alaskans, and this is just one step in my ongoing commitment to protect our right to bear arms."

The Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act does not mandate the right to carry concealed weapons in states that do not allow the practice. It basically grants a reciprocity agreement allowing Alaskans who can legally carry at home to do so in states with conceal carry laws.

If anyone is prohibited by federal law from carrying a firearm they will continue to be prohibited under this bill. Individuals must also follow state laws concerning specific locations where firearms may not be carried such as in court houses and schools.

Sen. Begich is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and received an "A" rating from the organization during his recent campaign for the U.S. Senate. He also holds a concealed carry permit in Alaska.

So stop panicking. Stop seeing the sky falling. Work on your legislators. Enjoy life. Don't let your pancakes get cold while you are practicing taking cover at Denny's...and don't leave your plate unattended around Spiff...

WilditsasunnydayAlaska ™

EricReynolds · February 24, 2009, 07:29 PM

+1 friend. I hear you. You have some detractors though.

Wildalaska · February 24, 2009, 07:39 PM

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You have some detractors though.

Whose subtracting me?

WildwhodaresAlaska ™

Swampghost · February 24, 2009, 07:59 PM

I would hope that certain other problems (the economy, wars on a number of fronts, et al) will take priority over gun control. If you noticed, Obama is edging closer to the center all of the time.

Webleymkv · February 24, 2009, 09:24 PM

I agree that we probably won't see any major gun control legislation that goes anywhere anytime soon. The President and certain legislators like Kennedy, Feinstein, Schumer, McCarthy, Boxer, Durbin, etc. can be as anti-gun as they like but they still have to get the rest of congress to go along with them. While the Democrats may control congress, many of them are from more conservative states in the south, west, and midwest and know that voting for gun-control legislation may cost them re-election (the Dems lost both the House and Senate after passing the AWB in '94) and would thusly be less than eager to vote for such a measure. The extreme anti looneys like McCarthy have and will probably continue to introduce their asnine bills, but like McCarthy's previous work it will likely die in committee. The key as I see it is to make clear to congress that we're watching them and I can think of no easier and more effective way to do this than by joining or maintaining membership with the NRA.

stevelyn · February 24, 2009, 11:06 PM

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I have said before and i'll say again...additional scary gun control measures are dead in the water in this Congress....the economy sucks and the Dems cant even keep their own ranks in line.

I recall it wasn't too awfully long ago you were pretty worried yourself.

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Mark Begich, D AK, AKs Boy Blunder or Mark Garbage as SWMBO calls him (japanese folks take their politics personally) now shows his colours

Leopards don't lose their spots. We'll see how long he can keep up the act.

BTW, I'm in complete agreement with SWMBO.

Wildalaska · February 24, 2009, 11:26 PM

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I recall it wasn't too awfully long ago you were pretty worried yourself.

really....care to share the incident wherein I was "pretty worried"?

WildicallhimgarbagetooAlaska TM

Swampghost · February 24, 2009, 11:44 PM

Back to topic. I'd be suprised to see anything soon. If you're a member of the NRA and hooked up online the alerts come out at warp speed.

vranasaurus · February 25, 2009, 12:50 AM

There are a bunch of democratic senators out west and democratic representatives in the west and south who would be hurt politically by voting for any gun control measures. And their leadership knows it and they will not bring any bills forward that have the chance to cost them the majority.

They have much more pressing things to use the majority for and don't want to waste it on gun control.

Let's not forget that the number #1 job of all these congress persons is to get reelected anything that may cost them that opportunity usually will not be supported.

So we know that many anti-gun elected officials would love to tell us to turn them all in but there are enough pro gun officials to put the brakes on that idea. The republicans and not the second amendment took a beating in November. Sarah Brady would like you to think otherwise.

I am not advocating that we just assume the government will leave our guns alone. We should still actively fight to maintain our rights just not go crazy in the process.

Texas Solo · February 25, 2009, 08:09 AM

"Guess if there is Gun Control legislation Introduced, the Dems Will Only Have 59"

59/41 isn't much of a comfort margin. You're making an assumption that ALL Republicans in Congress are pro gun. We get Mark Begich, D AK on this bill, but who could we possibly lose to the Dems?

Playboypenguin · February 25, 2009, 08:32 AM

I was all for this measure until you pointed out the part about Alaskans being able to carry into other states. I am going to have to call my congressman to fight this bill. It is not the part about the concealed carry that bothers me...it is the idea of Alaskans being able to travel into my state. Something needs to be done about that. Property values have dropped enough already.

jfrey123 · February 25, 2009, 09:52 AM

lol

rantingredneck · February 25, 2009, 09:58 AM

I'm not so worried about big nasty AWB type legislation that is on it's face anti-gun. I agree that there are a good number of Democrat legislators from traditionally conservative districts that would get hammered come reelection time.

I worry more about the smaller, hidden amendments crammed into a bill at midnight in some "smoke filled room". Remember all the posts about anti elements in the "stimulus" bill. They didn't pan out, but it certainly could have happened as large as that pile of paper was and as quickly as it was shoved through.

Won't be big sweeping changes that way (at least I don't think) but our rights can still be taken away one small bite at a time.

Technosavant · February 25, 2009, 10:49 AM

Wild, that's been my take for a while. Not that there's a lack of desire by some or bills waiting in committee if there's an opportunity, but there's just no practical way of getting it done. I just don't think the Dems would close ranks behind a gun control bill- some Republicans would join the anti gun Dems, but they just wouldn't get it through.

Back in 1994 folks weren't paying enough attention and were worrying about worse. Things have changed- we have over a decade of gun control being rolled back in the vast majority of our nation. We're paying CLOSE attention to the process. Even liberals are seeing why gun control is a bad idea- not just a losing issue, but a bad idea. Even Harry Reid doesn't want a new AWB (and voted against extending the last one).

I don't think we can relax our vigilance, but I do think we can take off the tin foil.

ggig · February 25, 2009, 11:43 AM

imho if the left wing liberals get there wish to ban firearms or ammo the country's of china, korea, hong kong, india,etc will do what they do best, that is provide the people of united states with guns and ammo in the ammounts you would not believe. you will be able to get a hand gun and ammo with every haircut..... gg

Wildalaska · February 25, 2009, 12:53 PM

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.it is the idea of Alaskans being able to travel into my state. Something needs to be done about that. Property values have dropped enough already.

Whats the name of you bar?

WilddudesfreedrinksletsgooooooooooooAlaska TM

Playboypenguin · February 25, 2009, 01:00 PM

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Whats the name of you bar?

Ummm...Denny's.

**Shane Tuttle** · February 25, 2009, 08:23 PM

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It is not the part about the concealed carry that bothers me...it is the idea of Alaskans being able to travel into my state. Something needs to be done about that. Property values have dropped enough already.

Actually, Wild, move on over there. Housing market on the east and west coasts had an astounding inflation in prices to begin with. You Alaskans can knock 'em down to the level they should have been in the first place. Then, I could actually afford to keep my career and enjoy the mountains again. Nothing like Colorado getting Californicated....

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I worry more about the smaller, hidden amendments crammed into a bill at midnight in some "smoke filled room". Remember all the posts about anti elements in the "stimulus" bill. They didn't pan out, but it certainly could have happened as large as that pile of paper was and as quickly as it was shoved through.

Rantingredneck mirrors my concern. (Is this political? I'm stopping before I say something wrong and get banned....

)

Any .45 · February 25, 2009, 08:45 PM

I worked the patch out on the slope in AK, for a while and the roughnecks seem to talk good about the individual. Never really looked it up, its good to here that they were right about him. Congrats.

Wildalaska · February 25, 2009, 08:53 PM

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Actually, Wild, move on over there. Housing market on the east and west coasts had an astounding inflation in prices to begin with.

The inflation in housing values back easst started when I moved up here, and out of there

WildtheregoestheneighborhoodAlaska ™

Al Norris · February 25, 2009, 09:37 PM

From gun control to the housing bubble....

Do you here it?

February 24, 2009, 07:59 PM	#4
Swampghost Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: Florida, east coast Posts: 2,106	I would hope that certain other problems (the economy, wars on a number of fronts, et al) will take priority over gun control. If you noticed, Obama is edging closer to the center all of the time. __________________ NRA Patron Member

February 24, 2009, 11:44 PM	#8
Swampghost Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: Florida, east coast Posts: 2,106	Back to topic. I'd be suprised to see anything soon. If you're a member of the NRA and hooked up online the alerts come out at warp speed. __________________ NRA Patron Member

February 25, 2009, 08:09 AM	#10
Texas Solo Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 169	"Guess if there is Gun Control legislation Introduced, the Dems Will Only Have 59" 59/41 isn't much of a comfort margin. You're making an assumption that ALL Republicans in Congress are pro gun. We get Mark Begich, D AK on this bill, but who could we possibly lose to the Dems? __________________ When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

February 25, 2009, 09:52 AM	#12
jfrey123 Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2006 Location: Reno, NV. Posts: 1,026	lol __________________ Rock out with your Glock out!

February 25, 2009, 09:58 AM	#13
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	I'm not so worried about big nasty AWB type legislation that is on it's face anti-gun. I agree that there are a good number of Democrat legislators from traditionally conservative districts that would get hammered come reelection time. I worry more about the smaller, hidden amendments crammed into a bill at midnight in some "smoke filled room". Remember all the posts about anti elements in the "stimulus" bill. They didn't pan out, but it certainly could have happened as large as that pile of paper was and as quickly as it was shoved through. Won't be big sweeping changes that way (at least I don't think) but our rights can still be taken away one small bite at a time. __________________ NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link)

February 24, 2009, 07:05 PM	#1
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Guess if there is Gun Control legilation Introduced, the Dems Will Only Have 59 I have said before and i'll say again...additional scary gun control measures are dead in the water in this Congress....the economy sucks and the Dems cant even keep their own ranks in line. Mark Begich, D AK, AKs Boy Blunder or Mark Garbage as SWMBO calls him (japanese folks take their politics personally) now shows his colours Begich Co-Sponsors Concealed Weapons Bill Source: Office of U.S. Senator Mark Begich Updated: 02/24/2009 02:46:50 PM AKST In an effort to secure the rights of individuals to lawfully carry concealed firearms across state lines, Sen. Mark Begich is co-sponsoring the Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. Currently, Sen. Begich is the only Democrat of the 19 senators co-sponsoring the legislation that allows an individual to lawfully carry a concealed firearm across state lines if they have a valid permit or, if under their state of residence, they are allowed to do so. "This bill will allow Alaskans who are able to carry a concealed weapon legally in our state, to do so when they travel to other states that have a system of concealed carry laws," Sen. Begich said. "The Second Amendment is of utmost importance to Alaskans, and this is just one step in my ongoing commitment to protect our right to bear arms." The Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act does not mandate the right to carry concealed weapons in states that do not allow the practice. It basically grants a reciprocity agreement allowing Alaskans who can legally carry at home to do so in states with conceal carry laws. If anyone is prohibited by federal law from carrying a firearm they will continue to be prohibited under this bill. Individuals must also follow state laws concerning specific locations where firearms may not be carried such as in court houses and schools. Sen. Begich is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and received an "A" rating from the organization during his recent campaign for the U.S. Senate. He also holds a concealed carry permit in Alaska. So stop panicking. Stop seeing the sky falling. Work on your legislators. Enjoy life. Don't let your pancakes get cold while you are practicing taking cover at Denny's...and don't leave your plate unattended around Spiff... WilditsasunnydayAlaska ™

February 24, 2009, 07:29 PM	#2
EricReynolds Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 393	+1 friend. I hear you. You have some detractors though.

February 24, 2009, 09:24 PM	#5
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	I agree that we probably won't see any major gun control legislation that goes anywhere anytime soon. The President and certain legislators like Kennedy, Feinstein, Schumer, McCarthy, Boxer, Durbin, etc. can be as anti-gun as they like but they still have to get the rest of congress to go along with them. While the Democrats may control congress, many of them are from more conservative states in the south, west, and midwest and know that voting for gun-control legislation may cost them re-election (the Dems lost both the House and Senate after passing the AWB in '94) and would thusly be less than eager to vote for such a measure. The extreme anti looneys like McCarthy have and will probably continue to introduce their asnine bills, but like McCarthy's previous work it will likely die in committee. The key as I see it is to make clear to congress that we're watching them and I can think of no easier and more effective way to do this than by joining or maintaining membership with the NRA.

February 25, 2009, 12:50 AM	#9
vranasaurus Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2008 Posts: 1,184	There are a bunch of democratic senators out west and democratic representatives in the west and south who would be hurt politically by voting for any gun control measures. And their leadership knows it and they will not bring any bills forward that have the chance to cost them the majority. They have much more pressing things to use the majority for and don't want to waste it on gun control. Let's not forget that the number #1 job of all these congress persons is to get reelected anything that may cost them that opportunity usually will not be supported. So we know that many anti-gun elected officials would love to tell us to turn them all in but there are enough pro gun officials to put the brakes on that idea. The republicans and not the second amendment took a beating in November. Sarah Brady would like you to think otherwise. I am not advocating that we just assume the government will leave our guns alone. We should still actively fight to maintain our rights just not go crazy in the process.

February 25, 2009, 08:32 AM	#11
Playboypenguin Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 11,515	I was all for this measure until you pointed out the part about Alaskans being able to carry into other states. I am going to have to call my congressman to fight this bill. It is not the part about the concealed carry that bothers me...it is the idea of Alaskans being able to travel into my state. Something needs to be done about that. Property values have dropped enough already.

February 25, 2009, 10:49 AM	#14
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	Wild, that's been my take for a while. Not that there's a lack of desire by some or bills waiting in committee if there's an opportunity, but there's just no practical way of getting it done. I just don't think the Dems would close ranks behind a gun control bill- some Republicans would join the anti gun Dems, but they just wouldn't get it through. Back in 1994 folks weren't paying enough attention and were worrying about worse. Things have changed- we have over a decade of gun control being rolled back in the vast majority of our nation. We're paying CLOSE attention to the process. Even liberals are seeing why gun control is a bad idea- not just a losing issue, but a bad idea. Even Harry Reid doesn't want a new AWB (and voted against extending the last one). I don't think we can relax our vigilance, but I do think we can take off the tin foil.

February 25, 2009, 11:43 AM	#15
ggig Member Join Date: February 21, 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 30	Gun Legislation imho if the left wing liberals get there wish to ban firearms or ammo the country's of china, korea, hong kong, india,etc will do what they do best, that is provide the people of united states with guns and ammo in the ammounts you would not believe. you will be able to get a hand gun and ammo with every haircut..... gg

February 25, 2009, 08:45 PM	#19
Any .45 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2004 Location: SW FLORIDA, USA Posts: 604	I worked the patch out on the slope in AK, for a while and the roughnecks seem to talk good about the individual. Never really looked it up, its good to here that they were right about him. Congrats. __________________ Foster and polish The warior spirit While serving in the world; Illuminate the path According to your inner light" "Spring forth from the Great Earth; Billow like Great Waves; Stand like a tree, sit like a rock; Use One to strike All. Learn and forget! " "At the instant A warrior Confronts a foe, All things Come into focus" Morihei Ueshiba (1883-1969) Founder of Aikido

February 25, 2009, 09:37 PM	#21
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	From gun control to the housing bubble.... Do you here it?