can't get primers to load

semi_problomatic · October 23, 2009, 08:22 PM

I'm using a RCBS hand primer trying to load CCI large rifle primers into a once fired case. Primers won't feed into the case, I measured one primer against the one I popped out of the fired brass and they're the same size. What gives? Oh yeah...I just got the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Kit from the bass pro, set it all up today, read through the manuals for two weeks, and again tonight. I've read the ABC's of reloading cover to cover and nothing covers this, all the RCBS manual says is don't force it. Any suggestions?

armoredman · October 23, 2009, 08:35 PM

First question, is it NATO brass? Does it have a little circle with a plus sign inside on the headstamp? If so, you probably will have to ream out the primer pocket, as military primers are crimped. This crimp needs to go away before you can re prime them. Dillon makes a great tool for that, the Super Swage, IIRC.

stump shooter · October 23, 2009, 08:38 PM

Another vote to verify if it's crimped brass.

A swager might be in order.

Edward429451 · October 23, 2009, 11:59 PM

I'll take it! I like nato brass. I'll send you 308 Win brass 1 for 1 for it, oince fired.

semi_problomatic · October 24, 2009, 12:17 PM

No its civilian bought Winchester. THE VERY FIRST PIECE OF BRASS I'VE EVER TRIED TO RELOAD!!! No crimp and the bottom says WCC 08 with a O'ed x on top left. Ah crap... I guess it is nato brass...

bcl32 · October 24, 2009, 02:54 PM

Get you a primer pocket reamer or a primer pocket swager, then you can use them.

dozernomore · October 24, 2009, 03:14 PM

I do believe the rcbs hand primer comes with 2 primer seater's,and 2 set's of plastic housings for large and small rifle primers,,,you don't have a little mix up ???? maybe ??

Alleykat · October 24, 2009, 04:19 PM

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I do believe the rcbs hand primer comes with 2 primer seater's,and 2 set's of plastic housings for large and small rifle primers,,,you don't have a little mix up ???? maybe ??

Think that's a good answer, when he's already "discovered" that his primer pockets are crimped?

semi_problomatic · November 1, 2009, 01:18 AM

Haha thsnks allykat. Even though the size of that lityle bar wouldnt keep the primers from loading anyway. Haha. Yeah im a jack@ss but how was i supposed to know the lil x meant nato? Oh well

armoredman · November 1, 2009, 02:01 AM

Take Edward up on his trade offer, or buy a swager. Good luck!

**Unclenick** · November 1, 2009, 02:17 AM

WCC is Western Cartridge Company. Winchester's commercial market brass is usually stamped W-W, for Winchester-Western these days, though they actually have used quite a number of other military and commercial headstamps over the years, ranging from a simple "W" to the whole word "WINCHESTER" written in an arc. The easiest way to tell commercial from U.S. military brass is the later has a standard format consisting of the maker initials and the last two digits of the year of manufacture. So, the 08 means it was made in 2008, and not that it is .308. Commercial brass usually has both the company mark and the name of the chambering on it with no year.

There are actually two NATO symbols you'll encounter. One is that circle and crosshair symbol, which means the ammo will function in NATO compliant arms, but the ballistics are whatever the cartridge is deigned to do. The other is a little fat lobed cross that looks sort of like a four-leaf clover. That means it is NATO Standardization Agreement compliant ball (147 +/- 3 gr. bullet with an MV of 2750 +/- 50 feet per second).

October 23, 2009, 08:22 PM	#1
semi_problomatic Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 2009 Location: Ft. Polk Posts: 883	can't get primers in casing I'm using a RCBS hand primer trying to load CCI large rifle primers into a once fired case. Primers won't feed into the case, I measured one primer against the one I popped out of the fired brass and they're the same size. What gives? Oh yeah...I just got the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Kit from the bass pro, set it all up today, read through the manuals for two weeks, and again tonight. I've read the ABC's of reloading cover to cover and nothing covers this, all the RCBS manual says is don't force it. Any suggestions? __________________ Freedom's just a word. If I'm gonna die for a word, my word is jello... Last edited by semi_problomatic; October 24, 2009 at 02:18 PM.

October 24, 2009, 12:17 PM	#5
semi_problomatic Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 2009 Location: Ft. Polk Posts: 883	No its civilian bought Winchester. THE VERY FIRST PIECE OF BRASS I'VE EVER TRIED TO RELOAD!!! No crimp and the bottom says WCC 08 with a O'ed x on top left. Ah crap... I guess it is nato brass... __________________ Freedom's just a word. If I'm gonna die for a word, my word is jello... Last edited by semi_problomatic; October 24, 2009 at 02:20 PM.

November 1, 2009, 01:18 AM	#9
semi_problomatic Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 2009 Location: Ft. Polk Posts: 883	Haha thsnks allykat. Even though the size of that lityle bar wouldnt keep the primers from loading anyway. Haha. Yeah im a jack@ss but how was i supposed to know the lil x meant nato? Oh well __________________ Freedom's just a word. If I'm gonna die for a word, my word is jello...

November 1, 2009, 02:17 AM	#11
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	WCC is Western Cartridge Company. Winchester's commercial market brass is usually stamped W-W, for Winchester-Western these days, though they actually have used quite a number of other military and commercial headstamps over the years, ranging from a simple "W" to the whole word "WINCHESTER" written in an arc. The easiest way to tell commercial from U.S. military brass is the later has a standard format consisting of the maker initials and the last two digits of the year of manufacture. So, the 08 means it was made in 2008, and not that it is .308. Commercial brass usually has both the company mark and the name of the chambering on it with no year. There are actually two NATO symbols you'll encounter. One is that circle and crosshair symbol, which means the ammo will function in NATO compliant arms, but the ballistics are whatever the cartridge is deigned to do. The other is a little fat lobed cross that looks sort of like a four-leaf clover. That means it is NATO Standardization Agreement compliant ball (147 +/- 3 gr. bullet with an MV of 2750 +/- 50 feet per second). __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

October 23, 2009, 08:35 PM	#2
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	First question, is it NATO brass? Does it have a little circle with a plus sign inside on the headstamp? If so, you probably will have to ream out the primer pocket, as military primers are crimped. This crimp needs to go away before you can re prime them. Dillon makes a great tool for that, the Super Swage, IIRC.

October 23, 2009, 08:38 PM	#3
stump shooter Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Posts: 61	Another vote to verify if it's crimped brass. A swager might be in order.

October 23, 2009, 11:59 PM	#4
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	I'll take it! I like nato brass. I'll send you 308 Win brass 1 for 1 for it, oince fired.

October 24, 2009, 02:54 PM	#6
bcl32 Junior Member Join Date: October 24, 2009 Posts: 7	Get you a primer pocket reamer or a primer pocket swager, then you can use them.

October 24, 2009, 03:14 PM	#7
dozernomore Member Join Date: December 14, 2008 Posts: 25	I do believe the rcbs hand primer comes with 2 primer seater's,and 2 set's of plastic housings for large and small rifle primers,,,you don't have a little mix up ???? maybe ??

November 1, 2009, 02:01 AM	#10
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	Take Edward up on his trade offer, or buy a swager. Good luck!