three round burst

czc3513 · March 14, 2006, 06:10 PM

Anyone have a gun with three round burst, without full auto?
Anyone want a gun with three round burst, without full auto?
The more I think about it, the less I want one.
It seems like a gamble to me.
It can get three shots on target, really fast, but it can also get three shots off target, really fast.
It would only give you 10 attempts to get on target.
I think that I would rather have 30 single shots at targets.
My ammo would last three times as long, and I could shoot at more than ten targets before reloading.
What do you think about three round burst?

gunslinger555 · March 14, 2006, 06:48 PM

mg for fun get a belt fed or a higher cap mag

but for a combat rifle i would much rather have a semi

Chaingunner · March 14, 2006, 06:59 PM

Automatic weapons are toys except:

1 - when found on rifles fed by linked ammo belts (as in the SHRIKE 5.56mm assault machine gun)

2 - when used on weapons meant for short range kill-a-thons (most SMGs)

3 - when found on bona fide machine guns such as the .50 caliber browning machine gun, mk32mod1 25mm chaingun, or 7.62mm M60/M240, and even then it is wasteful when not used in bursts.

It is my opinion that one should rely upon one's marksmanship capabilities, and NOT on one's rifle's ability to spew ammunition all over the place.

czc3513 · March 18, 2006, 01:33 AM

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Anyone have anything to say about three round burst?

gunslinger555 · March 18, 2006, 02:30 AM

yes i do have expirience with 3 round burst firearms they are easier to control than full auto but also with my expirience with paintball (my gun has 1,3,6 and full bursts) out of the 3,6 and full i prefer the 3 shot burst but over all i prefer semi but my pb gun trigger pull is like a click of a mouse on a computer and has a double trigger so semi is all you need because you can ultamatly control your rof on it by "walking the trigger" i have heard of ppl puting electronic semi only trigger frame from a pb gun on a real firearm crap now i want to do that but what im tring to say is do this if you can so you dont have to do the paper work but if youare wiling to do the paper work just get a firearms with 1,3, and full auto option on it yes 3 is awsome and you dont go thru as much ammo

Hkmp5sd · March 18, 2006, 11:16 AM

Three round burst in the M4(M16) sucks. It is a ratchet that ends up giving you a seperate trigger pull for each position. Depending on when you let go of the trigger, your next 3 round burst might be 3 rounds or might be 1 or 2 rounds.

The three round burst was created as a mechanical fix to a training problem. Training troops to properly use an M16 in bursts takes a lot of time and a lot of ammunition, which equates to lots of $$$. The military decided they'd just limit the gun to 3 rounds per trigger pull and not have to worry about teaching the troops.

The only reason I would buy a 3-round burst only firearm was if I came across one cheap and since the NFA considers it a machinegun, I could dump the burst parts and make it straight full auto.

Jguy101 · March 18, 2006, 12:56 PM

In my opinion, the best gun (unless you were shooting at vehicles or needed to take down a bunch of people) would be one with a selector switch for smeiauto and three-round burst. The three-round burst would definately be good for when the you-know-what hits the fan. What do you think some thug is going to do when he hears it? And you haven't emptied you mag in a couple seconds like FA.

guy sajer · March 19, 2006, 12:25 PM

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...The three round burst was created as a mechanical fix to a training problem. Training troops to properly use an M16 in bursts takes a lot of time and a lot of ammunition, which equates to lots of $$$. The military decided they'd just limit the gun to 3 rounds per trigger pull and not have to worry about teaching the troops.

The only reason I would buy a 3-round burst only firearm was if I came across one cheap and since the NFA considers it a machinegun, I could dump the burst parts and make it straight full auto.

Exactly !

It's not difficult to fire single rounds with the selector set on FA . You have the option to fire any length burst that's appropriate for the situation at hand .

shooter_john · March 27, 2006, 10:02 PM

I have the priviledge of baby sitting a Colt 9mm carbine that belongs to my LE agency(basically a 9mm AR for those not familiar) that is SEMI 3RD BRST only. Due to the minimal amout of recoil, it can put three rounds really close together really quickly. I can consistently put three rounds in a 2-3 inch circle at 10-12 yards. That would be fairly devestating to anyone on the receiveing end. As someone else stated though, it all depends where you let off the trigger as to how many times it will go bang the next time you press the trigger. But, it is an EXTREMELY fun weapon. The one I have is an 11" upper with 3 32rd mags and surefire light.

Eghad · March 29, 2006, 11:08 PM

I remember reading reports that some Marines in Desert Storm disabled the burst trigger to gain a more consistent trigger for longer distance shots. I have never really noticed any major difference. The last time I qualified with the M16A2 before we deployed in Feb of 2003 at the Range on Ft. Hood I still qualified as expert with 36 out of 40 on the 300 meter range at the young age of 47..lol. Outshot all my young soldiers and rubbed it in

So to me it doesnt really matter as it never bothered me to any extreme.

Now at 600 yards it might be a different story. I have a Colt match HBAR that I shot in a 600 yard match with iron sights for grins and giggles. It has a regular two stage trigger in it.

riverrat66 · March 30, 2006, 12:14 AM

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The last time I qualified with the M16A2 before we deployed in Feb of 2003 at the Range on Ft. Hood I still qualified as expert with 36 out of 40 on the 300 meter range at the young age of 47..lol.

Eghad,

So that would make you 50 now. Do you think you could still whoop them youngens 3 years later?

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I have a Colt match HBAR that I shot in a 600 yard match with iron sights for grins and giggles. It has a regular two stage trigger in it.

Well, how did you make out?

When I tell guys that I used to shoot targets at 400 meters with my M-14 w/iron sights they look at me like I"m crazy! Of course that's before my eyes got so "tired". I have a Colt match HBAR also but the best I can do now is 200 yds. Any further then that and I'm wasting my time and ammo. That's what they make scopes for.

Chaingunner you said:

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It is my opinion that one should rely upon one's marksmanship capabilities, and NOT on one's rifle's ability to spew ammunition all over the place.

I gotta tell you. I could not disagree with you more. Have you been in combat when the SHTF? I have and I've had the need to "spray & pray" just as fast as I could reload. I'm talking about when the enemy is only a few feet away. There ain't no time for "marksmanship" when the enemy is coming fast and furious. We were just trying to kill as many as we could before they killed us. Thank God for automatic weapons!

Chaingunner · March 30, 2006, 12:39 AM

Well, I didn't mean at extremely close ranges...I was talking about shooting from a fair distance (100yds or more). Anything closer than that and I'd switch over to full auto (though maybe not on an M14, simply because it sucks up ammo too quickly and the recoil is a bit difficult to fully control)...course, if I'm INSIDE the ship there'd only be close range gun fights anyway, and I'd be packing a 12guage shotgun (battle rifles put holes in bulkheads and for some UNFATHOMABLE reason the Navy doesn't like that..

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pickpocket · March 30, 2006, 01:26 AM

3-round burst was decent for up close & personal killing. We tended to stick to burst fire when in clearing house after house, block after block.
Single shots from an M16 or an M4 would work most of the time, but a single 5.56mm doesn't have a lot of stopping power, especially when everyone is already in motion. Double taps were used but more difficult to keep track of - as in it's easier to count 9-10 bursts than to count individual rounds. The last thing you want is to be 28 rounds into a 30 round magazine when you kick in a door.
One we noticed is that burst fire tended to compensate for shortcomings in aim. There's a lot going on in a really enclosed space and things get a bit hectic. As time goes on technique is going to get a little tired.

There's no occasion to use burst fire any further than 40-50m MAX...it's just to hard to control the POA/POI at that range.

In any standard CQB situation I'd prefer single shot, depending on the friendly/ non-combatant situation. Extended house clearing where there are only hostiles that you have to worry about...burst is fine.

Others here may have different opinions, that's just my experience.

gunslinger555 · March 30, 2006, 06:39 AM

i have do agre with pickpocket and Chaingunner at farther ranges full auto/bursts are useless but close ranges or extrime close range make mine 3 shot burst

edit: sorry at extrime close ranges i would much rather have um this http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh17-e.htm "Entry Gun"

pickpocket · March 30, 2006, 08:47 PM

No.... we used THIS:

USMC Combat Shotgun

Much better

gunslinger555 · March 30, 2006, 11:08 PM

pickpocket, you got me thair much better

March 14, 2006, 06:10 PM	#1
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	three round burst Anyone have a gun with three round burst, without full auto? Anyone want a gun with three round burst, without full auto? The more I think about it, the less I want one. It seems like a gamble to me. It can get three shots on target, really fast, but it can also get three shots off target, really fast. It would only give you 10 attempts to get on target. I think that I would rather have 30 single shots at targets. My ammo would last three times as long, and I could shoot at more than ten targets before reloading. What do you think about three round burst? __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

March 14, 2006, 06:48 PM	#2
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	mg for fun get a belt fed or a higher cap mag but for a combat rifle i would much rather have a semi __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!

March 14, 2006, 06:59 PM	#3
Chaingunner Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2006 Location: El Cajon/San Diego, CA Posts: 394	Automatic weapons are toys except: 1 - when found on rifles fed by linked ammo belts (as in the SHRIKE 5.56mm assault machine gun) 2 - when used on weapons meant for short range kill-a-thons (most SMGs) 3 - when found on bona fide machine guns such as the .50 caliber browning machine gun, mk32mod1 25mm chaingun, or 7.62mm M60/M240, and even then it is wasteful when not used in bursts. It is my opinion that one should rely upon one's marksmanship capabilities, and NOT on one's rifle's ability to spew ammunition all over the place. __________________ Real men use iron sights. "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis."

March 18, 2006, 01:33 AM	#4
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	... Anyone have anything to say about three round burst? __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

March 18, 2006, 02:30 AM	#5
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	yes i do have expirience with 3 round burst firearms they are easier to control than full auto but also with my expirience with paintball (my gun has 1,3,6 and full bursts) out of the 3,6 and full i prefer the 3 shot burst but over all i prefer semi but my pb gun trigger pull is like a click of a mouse on a computer and has a double trigger so semi is all you need because you can ultamatly control your rof on it by "walking the trigger" i have heard of ppl puting electronic semi only trigger frame from a pb gun on a real firearm crap now i want to do that but what im tring to say is do this if you can so you dont have to do the paper work but if youare wiling to do the paper work just get a firearms with 1,3, and full auto option on it yes 3 is awsome and you dont go thru as much ammo __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!

March 18, 2006, 11:16 AM	#6
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	Three round burst in the M4(M16) sucks. It is a ratchet that ends up giving you a seperate trigger pull for each position. Depending on when you let go of the trigger, your next 3 round burst might be 3 rounds or might be 1 or 2 rounds. The three round burst was created as a mechanical fix to a training problem. Training troops to properly use an M16 in bursts takes a lot of time and a lot of ammunition, which equates to lots of $$$. The military decided they'd just limit the gun to 3 rounds per trigger pull and not have to worry about teaching the troops. The only reason I would buy a 3-round burst only firearm was if I came across one cheap and since the NFA considers it a machinegun, I could dump the burst parts and make it straight full auto.

March 18, 2006, 12:56 PM	#7
Jguy101 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 151	In my opinion, the best gun (unless you were shooting at vehicles or needed to take down a bunch of people) would be one with a selector switch for smeiauto and three-round burst. The three-round burst would definately be good for when the you-know-what hits the fan. What do you think some thug is going to do when he hears it? And you haven't emptied you mag in a couple seconds like FA.

March 27, 2006, 10:02 PM	#9
shooter_john Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2002 Location: ALABAMA Posts: 1,472	9mm 3 round is great for close range! I have the priviledge of baby sitting a Colt 9mm carbine that belongs to my LE agency(basically a 9mm AR for those not familiar) that is SEMI 3RD BRST only. Due to the minimal amout of recoil, it can put three rounds really close together really quickly. I can consistently put three rounds in a 2-3 inch circle at 10-12 yards. That would be fairly devestating to anyone on the receiveing end. As someone else stated though, it all depends where you let off the trigger as to how many times it will go bang the next time you press the trigger. But, it is an EXTREMELY fun weapon. The one I have is an 11" upper with 3 32rd mags and surefire light. __________________ TROTAC.com

March 29, 2006, 11:08 PM	#10
Eghad Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 6,231	I remember reading reports that some Marines in Desert Storm disabled the burst trigger to gain a more consistent trigger for longer distance shots. I have never really noticed any major difference. The last time I qualified with the M16A2 before we deployed in Feb of 2003 at the Range on Ft. Hood I still qualified as expert with 36 out of 40 on the 300 meter range at the young age of 47..lol. Outshot all my young soldiers and rubbed it in So to me it doesnt really matter as it never bothered me to any extreme. Now at 600 yards it might be a different story. I have a Colt match HBAR that I shot in a 600 yard match with iron sights for grins and giggles. It has a regular two stage trigger in it. __________________ Have a nice day at the range NRA Life Member

March 30, 2006, 12:39 AM	#12
Chaingunner Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2006 Location: El Cajon/San Diego, CA Posts: 394	Well, I didn't mean at extremely close ranges...I was talking about shooting from a fair distance (100yds or more). Anything closer than that and I'd switch over to full auto (though maybe not on an M14, simply because it sucks up ammo too quickly and the recoil is a bit difficult to fully control)...course, if I'm INSIDE the ship there'd only be close range gun fights anyway, and I'd be packing a 12guage shotgun (battle rifles put holes in bulkheads and for some UNFATHOMABLE reason the Navy doesn't like that.. ) __________________ Real men use iron sights. "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis."

March 30, 2006, 01:26 AM	#13
pickpocket Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 570	3-round burst was decent for up close & personal killing. We tended to stick to burst fire when in clearing house after house, block after block. Single shots from an M16 or an M4 would work most of the time, but a single 5.56mm doesn't have a lot of stopping power, especially when everyone is already in motion. Double taps were used but more difficult to keep track of - as in it's easier to count 9-10 bursts than to count individual rounds. The last thing you want is to be 28 rounds into a 30 round magazine when you kick in a door. One we noticed is that burst fire tended to compensate for shortcomings in aim. There's a lot going on in a really enclosed space and things get a bit hectic. As time goes on technique is going to get a little tired. There's no occasion to use burst fire any further than 40-50m MAX...it's just to hard to control the POA/POI at that range. In any standard CQB situation I'd prefer single shot, depending on the friendly/ non-combatant situation. Extended house clearing where there are only hostiles that you have to worry about...burst is fine. Others here may have different opinions, that's just my experience. __________________ Semper Fi- David Williams "Sabah al khair -- ismee Dave, ahnee al Shayṭān"

March 30, 2006, 06:39 AM	#14
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	i have do agre with pickpocket and Chaingunner at farther ranges full auto/bursts are useless but close ranges or extrime close range make mine 3 shot burst edit: sorry at extrime close ranges i would much rather have um this http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh17-e.htm "Entry Gun" __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face! Last edited by gunslinger555; March 30, 2006 at 07:12 PM.

March 30, 2006, 08:47 PM	#15
pickpocket Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 570	No.... we used THIS: USMC Combat Shotgun Much better __________________ Semper Fi- David Williams "Sabah al khair -- ismee Dave, ahnee al Shayṭān"

March 30, 2006, 11:08 PM	#16
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	pickpocket, you got me thair much better __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!