Semi-auto .223/5.56 possibilities

wbw · April 14, 2015, 06:17 PM

Is the Mini-14 about the only semi-auto in .223/5.56 that is not an AR-15?

cliffhangernlv · April 14, 2015, 06:30 PM

Slim pickings. I would normally recommend a browning BAR but I don't think they make it in 223.
Other than that you get into big bucks.

cliffhangernlv · April 14, 2015, 06:32 PM

Another thought, depending on what you plan to do with it, an M1 carbine.

skizzums · April 14, 2015, 06:36 PM

you have many AK varieties in .223. check atlantic firearms
https://www.k-var.com/shop/SLR-106-S...eceiver-Rifles

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

Mosin-Marauder · April 14, 2015, 06:47 PM

Century Arms C93.

Roller delayed blowback design based on the G3 and G53 German weapons.

Magnificent design.

Doesn't cost too much either.

ttarp · April 14, 2015, 06:57 PM

IWI Tavor, and I think the Galil ACE will be available in 5.56 as well. Steyr AUG, Beretta ARX 100, FN SCAR 16, FS2000, and I'm sure there's lots more I can't think of right now.

wbw · April 14, 2015, 07:11 PM

Thanks guys.
The Atlantic Firearms links got me looking at the Vepr AK74 in 5.45x39. Anyone experienced with those?

Machineguntony · April 14, 2015, 07:20 PM

Steyr Aug, A1-A3.

I have an A1. I take it out once in a blue moon.

There are many possibilities beyond the AR.

skizzums · April 14, 2015, 07:37 PM

5.45x39 is a col round. check ammo availability before you pique too much interest though. it used to be very cheap and plentiful, not sure anymore

Mosin-Marauder · April 14, 2015, 07:40 PM

Around .21c a round IIRC.

HKFan9 · April 14, 2015, 07:57 PM

SCAR 16, XCR, ACR, Tavor, FS2000, Aug A1 / A3, HK93 (and its copies) AK's. Galil / ACE, ARX, Daewoo, Sig 556, Sig 556XI, Sig 551...

I am sure there are others I am forgetting.

dakota.potts · April 15, 2015, 01:26 AM

The only one that I didn't see mentioned that I can think of is the VZ58 which can be had in that chambering. Oh, and the soon to be released FN M249

10-96 · April 15, 2015, 06:15 AM

You might get lucky and run across a used Daewoo DR200 (possibly other models). It's a civilian version of the ROK Army rifle and does not appear to be imported currently.

Fishbed77 · April 15, 2015, 03:13 PM

Quote:

SCAR 16, XCR, ACR, Tavor, FS2000, Aug A1 / A3, HK93 (and its copies) AK's. Galil / ACE, ARX, Daewoo, Sig 556, Sig 556XI, Sig 551...

I am sure there are others I am forgetting.

There are several additional AK variants I haven't seen mentioned, such as the Archer/Beryl and .223 Saiga.

chris in va · April 16, 2015, 09:25 AM

No mention of the KelTec Su-16?

Mosin-Marauder · April 16, 2015, 10:25 AM

^That's a good one. Piston Driven and extremely light. Pretty Darn Accurate too.

wbw · April 16, 2015, 05:49 PM

Thanks Chris in Va. I'm taking a look at that now.

For as much as I will use it, I don't have a problem with the Mini-14, but they're in the $600 plus range on GB and then there is shipping and transfer fee. The Keltec's appear to be in the $500 range new.

HKFan9 · April 17, 2015, 07:17 PM

The problem is its a Kel-Tec... I know I will get flamed for being an elitist... but we stopped carrying anything with their brand name due to their return rates.

If it's gonna be a range toy, sure get the Kel-tec, if its meant to be a defensive tool, I think money is better spent elsewhere.

April 14, 2015, 06:17 PM	#1
wbw Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2008 Location: York Pa. Posts: 738	Semi-auto .223/5.56 possibilities Is the Mini-14 about the only semi-auto in .223/5.56 that is not an AR-15?

April 14, 2015, 06:36 PM	#4
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	you have many AK varieties in .223. check atlantic firearms https://www.k-var.com/shop/SLR-106-S...eceiver-Rifles http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0 http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0 http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0 __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed Last edited by skizzums; April 14, 2015 at 06:43 PM.

April 14, 2015, 06:47 PM	#5
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	Century Arms C93. Roller delayed blowback design based on the G3 and G53 German weapons. Magnificent design. Doesn't cost too much either. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

April 14, 2015, 07:20 PM	#8
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Steyr Aug, A1-A3. I have an A1. I take it out once in a blue moon. There are many possibilities beyond the AR. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

April 14, 2015, 07:37 PM	#9
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	5.45x39 is a col round. check ammo availability before you pique too much interest though. it used to be very cheap and plentiful, not sure anymore __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

April 14, 2015, 06:30 PM	#2
cliffhangernlv Member Join Date: February 14, 2015 Posts: 53	Slim pickings. I would normally recommend a browning BAR but I don't think they make it in 223. Other than that you get into big bucks.

April 14, 2015, 06:32 PM	#3
cliffhangernlv Member Join Date: February 14, 2015 Posts: 53	Another thought, depending on what you plan to do with it, an M1 carbine.

April 14, 2015, 06:57 PM	#6
ttarp Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 888	IWI Tavor, and I think the Galil ACE will be available in 5.56 as well. Steyr AUG, Beretta ARX 100, FN SCAR 16, FS2000, and I'm sure there's lots more I can't think of right now.

April 14, 2015, 07:11 PM	#7
wbw Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2008 Location: York Pa. Posts: 738	Thanks guys. The Atlantic Firearms links got me looking at the Vepr AK74 in 5.45x39. Anyone experienced with those?

April 14, 2015, 07:40 PM	#10
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	Around .21c a round IIRC. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

April 14, 2015, 07:57 PM	#11
HKFan9 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Posts: 3,057	SCAR 16, XCR, ACR, Tavor, FS2000, Aug A1 / A3, HK93 (and its copies) AK's. Galil / ACE, ARX, Daewoo, Sig 556, Sig 556XI, Sig 551... I am sure there are others I am forgetting.

April 15, 2015, 01:26 AM	#12
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	The only one that I didn't see mentioned that I can think of is the VZ58 which can be had in that chambering. Oh, and the soon to be released FN M249 __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

April 15, 2015, 06:15 AM	#13
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,160	You might get lucky and run across a used Daewoo DR200 (possibly other models). It's a civilian version of the ROK Army rifle and does not appear to be imported currently. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

April 16, 2015, 09:25 AM	#15
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	No mention of the KelTec Su-16?

April 16, 2015, 10:25 AM	#16
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	^That's a good one. Piston Driven and extremely light. Pretty Darn Accurate too. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

April 16, 2015, 05:49 PM	#17
wbw Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2008 Location: York Pa. Posts: 738	Thanks Chris in Va. I'm taking a look at that now. For as much as I will use it, I don't have a problem with the Mini-14, but they're in the $600 plus range on GB and then there is shipping and transfer fee. The Keltec's appear to be in the $500 range new.

April 17, 2015, 07:17 PM	#18
HKFan9 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Posts: 3,057	The problem is its a Kel-Tec... I know I will get flamed for being an elitist... but we stopped carrying anything with their brand name due to their return rates. If it's gonna be a range toy, sure get the Kel-tec, if its meant to be a defensive tool, I think money is better spent elsewhere.