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July 16, 2014, 07:55 PM | #1 |
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Ballistol video - any truth in it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O-cpOgvbfw
Is ballistol harmful to guns? Would it ruin stainless steel revolvers? Would it ruin polymer guns? |
July 16, 2014, 08:47 PM | #2 |
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I use Ballistol all the time. It's a good product. No problems with stainless steel or blued finishes. No problem with finishes on wood stocks or rubber grips. Especially good on black powder, as both a cleaner and a patch lube. It does leave a slippery oil film. I usually leave a heavy coating on all surfaces during storage and wipe dry prior to use.
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July 17, 2014, 01:17 AM | #3 |
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The guy that did that video is an idiot. Hoppe's won't remove nickel plating.
The gun he shows doesn't have "gold leaf" on it. Gold leaf is commonly used for lettering-like on fire trucks or fancy office doors. And the only thing that will dissolve gold is a very powerful acid concoction called "aqua regia." His gun either has gold plating (probably) or gold inlay. His Colt revolver doesn't have a copper undercoat under the nickel plating. I know of no gun factory that underplates nickel with copper-that is done in car bumper-chroming shops. He is a foul-mouthed, opinionated azzhat who lets his mouth overload his backside. And I do have a vault!And, quite possibly, an arsenal. Last edited by Bill DeShivs; July 17, 2014 at 02:08 AM. |
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Hoppes indirectly removes nickel plating by creeping beneath any break, nick, flake of nickel and dissolving copper coating beneath the nickel plate. Nickel plating then has nothing to adhere to (does not plate directly on steel) and it is seemingly dissolved by Hoppes.
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July 17, 2014, 06:27 AM | #5 |
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I don't think anyone has laid an undercoat of copper on firearms in the US since before World War II.
Nickel plated guns are now almost always electroless nickel plated, and as far as I know that coating will not come off from action by Hoppes.
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July 17, 2014, 09:17 AM | #6 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYWQfbC5Og
minute 33 in video He is saying don't slather your gun in Ballistol In http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVIVF0WAoQE minute 18 he says same |
July 17, 2014, 09:40 AM | #7 |
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Anyone who posts "informational" videos and can't keep from dropping the F-bomb, losses me at it's first utterance.
This guy is a good example of someone who fancies himself an expert, while being clueless enough to believe it. I don't even care if they know what they're talking about (this guy clearly doesn't), there are plenty of knowledgeable folks who don't talk like uneducated street punks. I'll listen to them if I need information.
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July 17, 2014, 10:10 AM | #8 |
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In http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVIVF0WAoQE
at minute 8:25 he starts with ballistol and says he gives it thumbs down and does not recommend it at all |
July 17, 2014, 04:11 PM | #9 |
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Tuzo- Don't bother to educate yourself. Just keep on perpetuating myths.
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July 17, 2014, 05:06 PM | #10 |
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His name is Mike and not tuzo. I got only snide remarks after posting video of this person Mike from New York.
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July 17, 2014, 05:23 PM | #11 |
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READ the thread, Chris!
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July 17, 2014, 05:28 PM | #12 |
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You commented about Hoppe's This you tube man Mike from New york is instead talking about Ballistol and how it harms certain metals.
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July 17, 2014, 09:57 PM | #13 |
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Chris-
I'll lay it out for you- Tuzo responded in a post. I wasn't referring to the video there. In his video, "Mike" did say that Hoppe's would remove nickel plating. Tuzo parroted that myth. Understand now? |
July 18, 2014, 02:45 AM | #14 |
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I own three nickel plated S&W revolvers. The oldest is pre-1950 and youngest is circa 1972. Oldest has a bit of the nickel plating worn away revealing copper under-plating. Would you apply Hoppe's No. 9 to this surface? Of course you would but you wipe it off as soon as possible to avoid removing copper. Hoppe's No. 9 stays in the bore for a few minutes of my nickel plated handguns but does not long remain on the plating. Why take a chance if unsure of the plating technique - copper or no copper under-plating. True that there are numerous inaccurate internet references that Hoppe's No. 9 removes nickel. |
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I got a Colt Mk IV S70 cheaply because some nitwit had laid it on a buffer and burned through an area of nickel plating and exposed the copper strike. Old Barnum and Bailey style advertising for Ballistol claimed it would remove tombac fouling but it does not contain ammonia or other agent to attack copper. It's oil, people. |
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July 18, 2014, 10:56 AM | #16 |
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Interesting.
I had always thought that Colt was the first American gun maker to go to electroless nickel, and had done so right before World War II.
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July 18, 2014, 04:17 PM | #17 |
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Regardless of underplating, properly using ammoniated cleaners like Hoppe's will not damage plating.
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July 18, 2014, 08:23 PM | #18 |
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I laughed so hard at this video. If I didn't hear him cussing and raging one minute, I'd hear his breathing right next to the microphone. How does someone get this mad over a video? Geez.
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July 18, 2014, 08:42 PM | #19 |
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BTW- you CAN plate electrolytic nickel directly to steel. I do it all the time.
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I wouldn't apply it directly to wooden grips/stocks, but other than that I wouldn't have any problem soaking any of my guns (including the ones that are nickel-plated) in Ballistol. 1. The fact that Ballistol claims to dissolve "traces of copper, lead, zinc and tombac" does NOT mean it dissolves "all soft metals", as the video maker claims. It certainly does not mean it dissolves gold. 2. The fact that Ballistol claims to dissolve TRACES of some types of metals does NOT mean it's going to consume those metals wholesale if it makes incidental contact with them. 3. As mentioned, the video maker's assumption that all nickel plating is plated on top of a strike coat of copper is incorrect. It is possible that some nickel-plated guns have a copper strike coat, but it's the exception rather than the rule these days. 4. Merriam Webster gives one meaning of "vault" as "a room or compartment for the safekeeping of valuables". It is quite a stretch to say that a safe isn't a compartment for the safekeeping of valuables. The video is a 7:09 waste of time for anyone who watches it, unless they can get some entertainment value from it. It's certainly not useful as an informative source.
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July 19, 2014, 03:08 PM | #21 |
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can one use ballistol with boresnake? like sprinkling your barrel and cylinders with ballistol and running boresnake afterwards through them?
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July 19, 2014, 05:04 PM | #22 |
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Ballistol is most good for black powder guns, it's great because it mixes with water and the ballistol/water solution cap be used to spray down and wash out the black powder residue. When the water dries, it leaves a light coat of protective Ballistol on the metal.
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July 19, 2014, 10:23 PM | #23 |
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I got to hand it to the guy tho. hes got like 5 more videos trying to prove his point.
I didnt have time to watch them all. Nor the interest.
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July 19, 2014, 11:03 PM | #24 |
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Strangely, I never found the video that actually DID prove his point!
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July 21, 2014, 12:28 AM | #25 |
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I can assure you that Colt's electroless nickel has a copper layer under it. We built three raceguns at the same time from stock electroless nickel Colts- and there's copper under there...no fun to get out of all the corners.
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