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Sorry to say but it's a clone. And what gave it away is the hammer. On one of the pictures you see that the spur of the hammer is not serrated. Looks like a Pietta modified to look like the real deal....
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Check the screws. If they are metric it is not a original Colt.
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Good advice, GG, but in this case the gun is so obviously not authentic that it is not necessary to get into that kind of detail.
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1851 Navy Colt
You gentlemen have me more curious than ever at this point. All the items pointed out from era correct barrel design stamp to the hammer profile and hand checkering, corrections or identifiers tell me that I am holding a true 3rd gen 1851 Navy Colt. One difference though is mine doesn't have the 36 cal. stamped on the trigger guard. serial # 138xxx which shows to manufactured in 1863. My cylinder # is 2546 which doesn't match any of the other numbers on the gun, also the wedge doesn't have any numbers on it at all. Would this set off any flags?? Thanks for all the information!!!
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2ndgenwin posssible the wedge got lost, that's not dramatic and a lot of original revolvers of that era don't have their original cylinder either.... Check if all serials are present. Turn the gun around you'll see the serial on the butt , trigger guard , frame and barrel. Open the loading lever check it's inside the serial should be there too....
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Biggest giveaway to it's not being a First Gen is the serial number. SN 1241 should be a 1st model Navy (SN 1 - 1250) with the wedge over the wedge screw and a dado cut on the arbor instead of the slot. There are no pictures of the right side of the barrel/frame, but I would bet on the loading notch being beveled rather than just V type as a 1st Gen should be.
Cylinder shows signs of never having safety pins. Colts Patent on cylinder is wrong font and shouldn't be stacked As well as the other incorrect characteristics mentioned. There is a distinct possibility that this is a piece made up of original and reproduction parts meaning to deceive - rather than just repros.
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The other day I was looking at #22380 in the London series. (Lot #475 in the Bonhams sale in London last month). No 36 CAL marked on that, either. http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21639/lot/475/
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An unnumbered wedge is a replacement. Very common, especially on military guns.
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colt navy
would the notch for shoulder stock increase the value of such weapon?
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I've had a few Euroarms 51's in my day. In my opinion, they had a clumsy looking hammer (not elegant like an original). The hammer on subject revolver sure reminds me of those on the Euros. As for my two cents (not pure copper), I vote for fake.
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