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Old December 16, 2014, 04:27 PM   #26
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Old December 19, 2014, 03:21 PM   #27
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Sorry to say but it's a clone. And what gave it away is the hammer. On one of the pictures you see that the spur of the hammer is not serrated. Looks like a Pietta modified to look like the real deal....
Mostly these Piettas are good shooters so not everything has been lost...
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Old December 19, 2014, 04:57 PM   #28
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Check the screws. If they are metric it is not a original Colt.
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Old December 20, 2014, 01:55 PM   #29
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Good advice, GG, but in this case the gun is so obviously not authentic that it is not necessary to get into that kind of detail.

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Old December 20, 2014, 02:57 PM   #30
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1851 Navy Colt

You gentlemen have me more curious than ever at this point. All the items pointed out from era correct barrel design stamp to the hammer profile and hand checkering, corrections or identifiers tell me that I am holding a true 3rd gen 1851 Navy Colt. One difference though is mine doesn't have the 36 cal. stamped on the trigger guard. serial # 138xxx which shows to manufactured in 1863. My cylinder # is 2546 which doesn't match any of the other numbers on the gun, also the wedge doesn't have any numbers on it at all. Would this set off any flags?? Thanks for all the information!!!


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Old December 20, 2014, 03:58 PM   #31
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2ndgenwin posssible the wedge got lost, that's not dramatic and a lot of original revolvers of that era don't have their original cylinder either.... Check if all serials are present. Turn the gun around you'll see the serial on the butt , trigger guard , frame and barrel. Open the loading lever check it's inside the serial should be there too....
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Old December 20, 2014, 06:20 PM   #32
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a true 3rd gen 1851 Navy Colt
You mean first gen.
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Old December 20, 2014, 07:01 PM   #33
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2ndgenwin posssible the wedge got lost, that's not dramatic and a lot of original revolvers of that era don't have their original cylinder either
Agreed, mismatched cylinders and wedges are not at all unusual (I have a '49 Pocket with the same condition). They detract somewhat from the value, but do not make the gun any less authentic.
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Old December 20, 2014, 07:53 PM   #34
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Biggest giveaway to it's not being a First Gen is the serial number. SN 1241 should be a 1st model Navy (SN 1 - 1250) with the wedge over the wedge screw and a dado cut on the arbor instead of the slot. There are no pictures of the right side of the barrel/frame, but I would bet on the loading notch being beveled rather than just V type as a 1st Gen should be.

Cylinder shows signs of never having safety pins.

Colts Patent on cylinder is wrong font and shouldn't be stacked

As well as the other incorrect characteristics mentioned.

There is a distinct possibility that this is a piece made up of original and reproduction parts meaning to deceive - rather than just repros.
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Old December 22, 2014, 03:46 PM   #35
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Agreed, mismatched cylinders and wedges are not at all unusual (I have a '49 Pocket with the same condition). They detract somewhat from the value, but do not make the gun any less authentic.
Just what you say. Doesn't make it less authentic at all.
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Old December 22, 2014, 05:20 PM   #36
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The other day I was looking at #22380 in the London series. (Lot #475 in the Bonhams sale in London last month). No 36 CAL marked on that, either. http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21639/lot/475/

Wedges are quite frequently replaced. They were designed to be cheap and replaceable.

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Old December 24, 2014, 01:32 AM   #37
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An unnumbered wedge is a replacement. Very common, especially on military guns.

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Old December 24, 2014, 04:30 AM   #38
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colt navy

would the notch for shoulder stock increase the value of such weapon?
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Old December 24, 2014, 10:15 AM   #39
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I've had a few Euroarms 51's in my day. In my opinion, they had a clumsy looking hammer (not elegant like an original). The hammer on subject revolver sure reminds me of those on the Euros. As for my two cents (not pure copper), I vote for fake.
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Old December 24, 2014, 10:22 AM   #40
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