Primers

smuckie · July 28, 2013, 07:08 PM

Just started reloading 44 mags and have a few questions, I've loaded a few with 11.5 grains of Longshot, 240 grain lead swc bullets,regular large pistol primers at 1.625 OAL. My brotherinlaw brought over some Remington 180 grain ammo and his ammo was louder and kicked harder than my reloads, should I use magnum primers for this recipe and how much does aol affect this, also I've got some Tightgroup that I might use next, any thoughts? should I worry about recoil harshness? Thanks

Brian Pfleuger · July 28, 2013, 11:33 PM

The recoil, blast and performance of your loads have nothing to do with anyone else's loads unless they are using the same gun, bullet and powder charges.

If the load data from which you derived your load calls for magnum primers, you should be using them. If it does not, you should not.

smuckie · July 29, 2013, 10:10 AM

The Hodgdon data chart doesn't really say what primer to use

SVTCobra306 · July 29, 2013, 10:23 AM

If you select the bullet weight on the Hodgdon data center, then print your results, it gives you the primer and test gun data...I am sure you could do a print preview and see it without actually printing.

mikld · July 29, 2013, 11:35 AM

When reloading for a revolver, just disregard OAL (unless you load bullets w/o a cannalure/crimp groove), seat and crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove. I have been reloading for revolvers for 30 years and to be truthful, I don't know the OAL of my loads. I believe the bullet/mold designers determined the placement of the crimp groove so the bullet will allow safe case volume when seated to the groove.

smuckie · July 31, 2013, 01:18 PM

Big help as usual, haven't tried printing that yet but it worked, going to get some W296 next gun show

flashhole · July 31, 2013, 06:34 PM

W296 is a very unforgiving powder. Work up your loads from below max keeping an eye on signs of over pressure. Be aware that loads developed in cold ambient temperatures will likely be much hotter (more powerful) in higher ambient temperatures.

smuckie · July 31, 2013, 08:41 PM

What would you suggest for hunting deer here in Ohio in the winter,Flashole my 3 brother in laws all use their 44's for deer and I just like to shoot for fun but not afraid of a little kick

flashhole · August 1, 2013, 05:30 AM

I don't load 44 Mag but I really like the Hodgdon Extreme Powders. They have consistent performance over broad temperature ranges summer - winter.

madmo44mag · August 1, 2013, 07:10 AM

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What would you suggest for hunting deer here in Ohio in the winter,Flashole my 3 brother in laws all use their 44's for deer and I just like to shoot for fun but not afraid of a little kick

Back when I hunter deer with my Ruger 44 SBH I had a load worked up that worked very well.
180 grain JHP over 22.0 grains of 2400
Now Texas white tails are pretty small deer compared to other parts of the country so I would still feel good with a 200 grain over 21.5 grain of 2400
The 240 and up bullets seemed to cause way moer tissue damage than required for a clean kill.

smuckie · August 1, 2013, 09:55 PM

Any thoughts on hs6 as a powder for hunting and plinking, same lead semi wads

WESHOOT2 · August 2, 2013, 06:42 AM

HS6 is a superior 44 Magnum powder for all bullet weights and construction, except it is NOT ideal for max-nuke loads.

(240--255g lead = 12.0g HS6 start)

smuckie · August 2, 2013, 10:20 AM

My swc's are not gas checked so I need to keep it under 1400 fps anyway, just want the big boom and heavy recoil

sc928porsche · August 3, 2013, 10:18 AM

With H110/Win296, it is Highly recommended that you use magnum primers.

For 44 mag loads I use Win296 or IMR 4227. Both with mag primers.

smuckie · August 4, 2013, 01:34 PM

How much difference do you think HS6 at full charge will differ from these other powders be at 1400 fps as far as recoil

smuckie · August 4, 2013, 02:40 PM

Supposed to be W296

Nathan · August 4, 2013, 07:50 PM

I would use the 240 Speer Deep Curl or the 240 Hornady XTP.

I would use Winchester LP primers for regular and magnum loads.

I would use IMR4227, 296, Lilgun, H110, or maybe 2400.

That's what I would use for OH deer.

WESHOOT2 · August 5, 2013, 06:50 AM

Recoil 'feel' is personal.

July 28, 2013, 07:08 PM	#1
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	Primers Just started reloading 44 mags and have a few questions, I've loaded a few with 11.5 grains of Longshot, 240 grain lead swc bullets,regular large pistol primers at 1.625 OAL. My brotherinlaw brought over some Remington 180 grain ammo and his ammo was louder and kicked harder than my reloads, should I use magnum primers for this recipe and how much does aol affect this, also I've got some Tightgroup that I might use next, any thoughts? should I worry about recoil harshness? Thanks

July 28, 2013, 11:33 PM	#2
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	The recoil, blast and performance of your loads have nothing to do with anyone else's loads unless they are using the same gun, bullet and powder charges. If the load data from which you derived your load calls for magnum primers, you should be using them. If it does not, you should not. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

July 29, 2013, 10:10 AM	#3
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	Thanks Brian The Hodgdon data chart doesn't really say what primer to use

July 29, 2013, 11:35 AM	#5
mikld Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2009 Location: Southern Oregon! Posts: 2,891	When reloading for a revolver, just disregard OAL (unless you load bullets w/o a cannalure/crimp groove), seat and crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove. I have been reloading for revolvers for 30 years and to be truthful, I don't know the OAL of my loads. I believe the bullet/mold designers determined the placement of the crimp groove so the bullet will allow safe case volume when seated to the groove. __________________ My Anchor is holding fast! I've learned how to stand on my own two knees...

July 31, 2013, 01:18 PM	#6
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	Thanks Big help as usual, haven't tried printing that yet but it worked, going to get some W296 next gun show

July 29, 2013, 10:23 AM	#4
SVTCobra306 Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Posts: 434	If you select the bullet weight on the Hodgdon data center, then print your results, it gives you the primer and test gun data...I am sure you could do a print preview and see it without actually printing.

July 31, 2013, 06:34 PM	#7
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	W296 is a very unforgiving powder. Work up your loads from below max keeping an eye on signs of over pressure. Be aware that loads developed in cold ambient temperatures will likely be much hotter (more powerful) in higher ambient temperatures. __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war?

July 31, 2013, 08:41 PM	#8
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	Wow What would you suggest for hunting deer here in Ohio in the winter,Flashole my 3 brother in laws all use their 44's for deer and I just like to shoot for fun but not afraid of a little kick

August 1, 2013, 05:30 AM	#9
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	I don't load 44 Mag but I really like the Hodgdon Extreme Powders. They have consistent performance over broad temperature ranges summer - winter. __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war?

August 1, 2013, 09:55 PM	#11
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	HS6 Any thoughts on hs6 as a powder for hunting and plinking, same lead semi wads __________________ Eyes are getting old? Get a bigger gun or larger mags

August 2, 2013, 06:42 AM	#12
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	HS6 is a superior 44 Magnum powder for all bullet weights and construction, except it is NOT ideal for max-nuke loads. (240--255g lead = 12.0g HS6 start) __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

August 2, 2013, 10:20 AM	#13
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	Thanks Weshoot2 My swc's are not gas checked so I need to keep it under 1400 fps anyway, just want the big boom and heavy recoil __________________ Eyes are getting old? Get a bigger gun or larger mags

August 3, 2013, 10:18 AM	#14
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2008 Location: now living in alabama Posts: 2,433	With H110/Win296, it is Highly recommended that you use magnum primers. For 44 mag loads I use Win296 or IMR 4227. Both with mag primers. __________________ No such thing as a stupid question. What is stupid is not asking it.

August 4, 2013, 01:34 PM	#15
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	HS6 vs H110/W298/Aliant2400 How much difference do you think HS6 at full charge will differ from these other powders be at 1400 fps as far as recoil __________________ Eyes are getting old? Get a bigger gun or larger mags

August 4, 2013, 02:40 PM	#16
smuckie Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 66	Oops fat fingered that one Supposed to be W296 __________________ Eyes are getting old? Get a bigger gun or larger mags

August 4, 2013, 07:50 PM	#17
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,333	I would use the 240 Speer Deep Curl or the 240 Hornady XTP. I would use Winchester LP primers for regular and magnum loads. I would use IMR4227, 296, Lilgun, H110, or maybe 2400. That's what I would use for OH deer.

August 5, 2013, 06:50 AM	#18
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	Recoil 'feel' is personal. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"