.45 OGRE

Kodiac · October 23, 1998, 10:52 AM

Here is a wildcat Idea - dont know of any one who has tried this yet:

Take the case of the .50AE - the Desert Eagle 50 cartridge, and neck that down .45 caliber.

.40 OGRE : same as the .45 OGRE but necked down to .40 caliber.

I would estimate the .45 OGRE load to have about the same or better than a bison gun. probably good for handgun hunting african predators. Loaded in a bulked up Carbine form the ballistics would be much better.
The .40 OGRE would be great as a long range siluette shooter. The desert eagle isn't the only pistol that could handle these rounds. Lot of flexability there as to applications.

Spectre · October 30, 1998, 10:29 PM

Corbon is loading ammunition currently for a 44 mag necked down to .40. Is that close enough for ya?
(I have been led to believe, after enthusiastically waxing gleeful over things like the .45 ACP or Super necked down to .355 [9 mm] that there can be some negative effects of too sharp a shoulder angle on handgun cartridges. If that is the case, perhaps the .45-70 cartridge would serve better as a base platform for necking down to .40 than the .50 AE? Of course, I believe J.D. already has a whole family based on .45-70 brass...)

Kodiac · October 31, 1998, 01:25 AM

Yeah, but they can't fit in a pistol... thats the idea.
If length was no object I would like to see a .600 Nitro Express necked down to 7.62MM!

Call it the 7MM Monster...

The point of these? To be over the top... Call them Extreme Wildcats... Why? We dont need them - but we may WANT them.

ShadedDude · October 31, 1998, 02:12 AM

Desert Eagle has a 50 AE case necked to a .44
I forget what its called. It is offered in thier line of pistols.

wouldnt be much diference between .44 and .45 I wouldnt think....40 would bookit though.

There is also a .44 mag necked to .357, semi populer T/C contender round.

And what about the .357 sig? A 10mm case necked to .357...that is supposed to be a pretty powerfull round, I'm considering getting a barrel from Jarvis for my USP to give it a go-round.

But on the end of extreme wildcats...I think if you neck a 700 Nitro Express case down to .17 and put it in a pistol you'd be pretty happy with yourself

Roy · October 31, 1998, 06:18 PM

A 50 BMG necked down to a 30 cal shooting 220 grn Sierra Matchkings?

Kodiac · October 31, 1998, 11:19 PM

By George, I think they've got it!

Remember - the bigger hammer wins!

Rob Pincus · October 31, 1998, 11:24 PM

SD- .357 sig is 40 S&W case necked to .357, But, you made my mind start thinking... Why not a full size 10mm necked down? perhaps to a 32???

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Spectre · November 2, 1998, 06:15 PM

Use a 9x25mm (10mm necked down to 9)...
I hear AMT has made their DAO backup in them!

Rob Pincus · November 2, 1998, 06:39 PM

Is that called 9x25 Dillon, or something like that, Spectre?

Spectre · November 8, 1998, 03:14 PM

Yup...but the AMT would be special order. (But they've done it before, so I'm sure they'd do it again.

)

I could really see a 9x25mm AMT longslide. Yummy.

fal308 · November 9, 1998, 11:00 AM

The problem with using an AMT is that some aftermarket parts are next to impossible to get. I know someone who waited for over 3 years while AMT got enough orders to run a batch of barrels in .45 ACP. He had to go factory b/c there were no aftermarket barrels. All of the other non-factory parts were custom made also.

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EricGT · November 11, 1998, 02:03 AM

Shaded Dude, the .50AE round you are referring to is made by Cor-Bon and is called the 440 Magnum. Another couple of nasty newcomers are made by SSK. They have two rounds out called Woodwalkers, the 40-44 and the 40-454. They are a .44 Magnum necked down to .40, and a .454 Cassull necked down to .40, respectively. The specs on the .40-454 were astounding. I've heard of T/C Contender barrels in both calibers, but I don't know if anyone else is doing anything with them yet. Iwould love to see a Raging Bull chambered in the 40-454 Woodwalker...Eric

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October 23, 1998, 10:52 AM	#1
Kodiac Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 1999 Posts: 1,173	Here is a wildcat Idea - dont know of any one who has tried this yet: Take the case of the .50AE - the Desert Eagle 50 cartridge, and neck that down .45 caliber. .40 OGRE : same as the .45 OGRE but necked down to .40 caliber. I would estimate the .45 OGRE load to have about the same or better than a bison gun. probably good for handgun hunting african predators. Loaded in a bulked up Carbine form the ballistics would be much better. The .40 OGRE would be great as a long range siluette shooter. The desert eagle isn't the only pistol that could handle these rounds. Lot of flexability there as to applications.

October 30, 1998, 10:29 PM	#2
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	Corbon is loading ammunition currently for a 44 mag necked down to .40. Is that close enough for ya? (I have been led to believe, after enthusiastically waxing gleeful over things like the .45 ACP or Super necked down to .355 [9 mm] that there can be some negative effects of too sharp a shoulder angle on handgun cartridges. If that is the case, perhaps the .45-70 cartridge would serve better as a base platform for necking down to .40 than the .50 AE? Of course, I believe J.D. already has a whole family based on .45-70 brass...)

October 31, 1998, 01:25 AM	#3
Kodiac Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 1999 Posts: 1,173	Yeah, but they can't fit in a pistol... thats the idea. If length was no object I would like to see a .600 Nitro Express necked down to 7.62MM! Call it the 7MM Monster... The point of these? To be over the top... Call them Extreme Wildcats... Why? We dont need them - but we may WANT them.

October 31, 1998, 02:12 AM	#4
ShadedDude Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1998 Location: TN Posts: 254	Desert Eagle has a 50 AE case necked to a .44 I forget what its called. It is offered in thier line of pistols. wouldnt be much diference between .44 and .45 I wouldnt think....40 would bookit though. There is also a .44 mag necked to .357, semi populer T/C contender round. And what about the .357 sig? A 10mm case necked to .357...that is supposed to be a pretty powerfull round, I'm considering getting a barrel from Jarvis for my USP to give it a go-round. But on the end of extreme wildcats...I think if you neck a 700 Nitro Express case down to .17 and put it in a pistol you'd be pretty happy with yourself

October 31, 1998, 06:18 PM	#5
Roy Junior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 11	A 50 BMG necked down to a 30 cal shooting 220 grn Sierra Matchkings?

October 31, 1998, 11:19 PM	#6
Kodiac Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 1999 Posts: 1,173	By George, I think they've got it! Remember - the bigger hammer wins!

October 31, 1998, 11:24 PM	#7
Rob Pincus Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1998 Location: Hotels Posts: 3,668	SD- .357 sig is 40 S&W case necked to .357, But, you made my mind start thinking... Why not a full size 10mm necked down? perhaps to a 32??? [This message has been edited by Rob (edited 10-31-98).] [This message has been edited by Rob (edited 10-31-98).]

November 2, 1998, 06:15 PM	#8
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	Use a 9x25mm (10mm necked down to 9)... I hear AMT has made their DAO backup in them!

November 2, 1998, 06:39 PM	#9
Rob Pincus Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 1998 Location: Hotels Posts: 3,668	Is that called 9x25 Dillon, or something like that, Spectre?

November 8, 1998, 03:14 PM	#10
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	Yup...but the AMT would be special order. (But they've done it before, so I'm sure they'd do it again. ) I could really see a 9x25mm AMT longslide. Yummy.

November 9, 1998, 11:00 AM	#11
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	The problem with using an AMT is that some aftermarket parts are next to impossible to get. I know someone who waited for over 3 years while AMT got enough orders to run a batch of barrels in .45 ACP. He had to go factory b/c there were no aftermarket barrels. All of the other non-factory parts were custom made also. [This message has been edited by fal308 (edited 11-09-98).]

November 11, 1998, 02:03 AM	#12
EricGT Staff Alumnus Join Date: March 27, 2000 Posts: 31	Shaded Dude, the .50AE round you are referring to is made by Cor-Bon and is called the 440 Magnum. Another couple of nasty newcomers are made by SSK. They have two rounds out called Woodwalkers, the 40-44 and the 40-454. They are a .44 Magnum necked down to .40, and a .454 Cassull necked down to .40, respectively. The specs on the .40-454 were astounding. I've heard of T/C Contender barrels in both calibers, but I don't know if anyone else is doing anything with them yet. Iwould love to see a Raging Bull chambered in the 40-454 Woodwalker...Eric [This message has been edited by EricGT (edited 11-11-98).]