12 guage question

Red_Eagle · July 14, 2008, 06:17 PM

I just started shot shell reloading for 12 guage. I loaded up some Remington Uni-bodies (not STS premier) 2 3/4" hulls with 19.6 gr of Green Dot. I was playing with the press today, and I found out the more powder I put in the bottle, the heavier the charge it throws. When I started loading yesterday the scales read 19.6-19.7 gr. Alliants data sugests 19.5., which according to them is 3 dram equil. The 2 3/4 dram load was about 17.5 gr. Today with the bottle 3/4 full I threw a couple charges as heavy as 20.5 gr. Do you think these are dangerous to fire? I think that would make these about 3 1/4 dram, but Alliant dosent list one that high for this hull.

.45 COLT · July 16, 2008, 09:17 AM

For a consistent powder drop, I'd suggest you get a baffle. They're cheap, and even out the drop no matter how much powder is in the bottle.

http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/product.php?productid=3605

That's one place that sells them, there are others also. That plastic one is, IMO, much better than the metal one that's marketed.

So far as shooting them, I would, but that's just me.

DC

rg1 · July 16, 2008, 04:12 PM

Lyman 4th Edition Shotshell Handbook:
1 1/8oz target and field loads, Rem Unibody hull
Green Dot 20.0 grains-- Win 209--Rem R12H--1194fps--9600lup
Green Dot 20.0--------Win 209---Win WAA12--1200---10000
Green Dot 19.5--------Win 209---Fed 12S4---1184----10300
Green Dot 20.0----------Win 209---Horn Versalite--1200--9600
Lyman 3rd Edition has same data.

crowbeaner · July 16, 2008, 08:05 PM

You should be all right with your load. I load the older Premier hull with 21.0 of Green Dot and they shoot fine. The SP unibody is a strong hull. I use them for my warp drive 1 1/4 oz. loads at 1340 and they hold up fine.

olddrum1 · July 16, 2008, 10:02 PM

I am assuming that you are using a Mec, refering to the bottles. You might try tapping the charge bar every time you slide it into the oppisite postion. I did not know that these were capable of having a baffle. The baffle is a good idea if you can have one.

olddrum1 · July 16, 2008, 10:28 PM

When reloading shotshells it helps to get into a smooth rhythm. This helps keep shells consistant.

Red_Eagle · July 17, 2008, 11:04 AM

I e-mailed Alliant on Monday night. I got a reply Tuesday afternoon. She said they be fine. I took'em out yesterday evening and they shot better than I did. It's only my second time trap shooting, and I still haven't got all the mechanics figured out yet. I took out two other loads too. The cheap federal target hulls with WAA 12, CCI 209, and about 21 gr of Green dot did really well. The 3rd load was STS preimer, Rem 209, Rem fig 8 (actually, The Clay buster wanna be), and 19.6 gr of Green Dot. Shot pretty dirty. I don't think those wads were giving a very good seal.
I am going to pick up one of those baffles next month along, with a 1 oz charge bar. The press is a MEC 650 progressive. I got it in like new used condition for $140.

crowbeaner · July 17, 2008, 09:06 PM

Hey Red Eagle; we're practically neighbors. I'll be driving through in a couple weeks going up home for a fishing trip. Ever hear of Black Lake? I grew up up there.

Red_Eagle · July 17, 2008, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Ever hear of Black Lake?

It's about 12 miles north of here.

olddrum1 · July 19, 2008, 12:03 AM

If you change over from green dot to a Hodgon Clays or International powder it will burn a lot cleaner.

olddrum1 · July 24, 2008, 11:15 AM

I emailed mec about the powder difference and here is what they emailed back.

This normally is related to static in the powder. Check the powder
bottle for possible static in the powder. The powder would be clinging
to the side of the bottle. To eliminate this, tear a small strip of a
Cling Free or Bounce anti -static sheet and hang in the top side of the
bottle. Put the red cap back in the bottle with some of the static
sheet hanging out to prevent the sheet from falling in and clogging up
the hole in the bottom of the bottle. Shake the bottle a few times and
then reinstall on the reloader.

If you have any further questions or need to obtain parts, feel free to
contact us again or call us at 1-800-797-4632, CST., 8:00 AM - 4:00 PM.

July 14, 2008, 06:17 PM	#1
Red_Eagle Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2007 Location: Western NY Posts: 598	12 guage question I just started shot shell reloading for 12 guage. I loaded up some Remington Uni-bodies (not STS premier) 2 3/4" hulls with 19.6 gr of Green Dot. I was playing with the press today, and I found out the more powder I put in the bottle, the heavier the charge it throws. When I started loading yesterday the scales read 19.6-19.7 gr. Alliants data sugests 19.5., which according to them is 3 dram equil. The 2 3/4 dram load was about 17.5 gr. Today with the bottle 3/4 full I threw a couple charges as heavy as 20.5 gr. Do you think these are dangerous to fire? I think that would make these about 3 1/4 dram, but Alliant dosent list one that high for this hull. __________________ My Calibers: 22 Hornet, 223 Rem, 22-250, 243 Win, 270 Win, 280 Remington Ackley Improved, 30-30, 308 Win, 30-06, 300 Winchester magnum, 7.62x39mm, 380 Auto, 9mm Parabellum, 38 Special, 357 magnum, 40 S&W, 10mm Auto, 45 GAP, 45 Auto, 12 & 20 Guage

July 16, 2008, 08:05 PM	#4
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,943	You should be all right with your load. I load the older Premier hull with 21.0 of Green Dot and they shoot fine. The SP unibody is a strong hull. I use them for my warp drive 1 1/4 oz. loads at 1340 and they hold up fine. __________________ If you want your children to follow in your footsteps, be careful where you walk. Beware the man that only owns one gun; he probably knows how to use it. I just hope my ship comes in before my dock rots.

July 16, 2008, 10:02 PM	#5
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	Just a thought I am assuming that you are using a Mec, refering to the bottles. You might try tapping the charge bar every time you slide it into the oppisite postion. I did not know that these were capable of having a baffle. The baffle is a good idea if you can have one.

July 16, 2008, 10:28 PM	#6
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	Something I should have added When reloading shotshells it helps to get into a smooth rhythm. This helps keep shells consistant.

July 17, 2008, 11:04 AM	#7
Red_Eagle Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2007 Location: Western NY Posts: 598	I e-mailed Alliant on Monday night. I got a reply Tuesday afternoon. She said they be fine. I took'em out yesterday evening and they shot better than I did. It's only my second time trap shooting, and I still haven't got all the mechanics figured out yet. I took out two other loads too. The cheap federal target hulls with WAA 12, CCI 209, and about 21 gr of Green dot did really well. The 3rd load was STS preimer, Rem 209, Rem fig 8 (actually, The Clay buster wanna be), and 19.6 gr of Green Dot. Shot pretty dirty. I don't think those wads were giving a very good seal. I am going to pick up one of those baffles next month along, with a 1 oz charge bar. The press is a MEC 650 progressive. I got it in like new used condition for $140. __________________ My Calibers: 22 Hornet, 223 Rem, 22-250, 243 Win, 270 Win, 280 Remington Ackley Improved, 30-30, 308 Win, 30-06, 300 Winchester magnum, 7.62x39mm, 380 Auto, 9mm Parabellum, 38 Special, 357 magnum, 40 S&W, 10mm Auto, 45 GAP, 45 Auto, 12 & 20 Guage

July 16, 2008, 09:17 AM	#2
.45 COLT Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 308	For a consistent powder drop, I'd suggest you get a baffle. They're cheap, and even out the drop no matter how much powder is in the bottle. http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/product.php?productid=3605 That's one place that sells them, there are others also. That plastic one is, IMO, much better than the metal one that's marketed. So far as shooting them, I would, but that's just me. DC

July 16, 2008, 04:12 PM	#3
rg1 Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2001 Posts: 1,125	Lyman 4th Edition Shotshell Handbook: 1 1/8oz target and field loads, Rem Unibody hull Green Dot 20.0 grains-- Win 209--Rem R12H--1194fps--9600lup Green Dot 20.0--------Win 209---Win WAA12--1200---10000 Green Dot 19.5--------Win 209---Fed 12S4---1184----10300 Green Dot 20.0----------Win 209---Horn Versalite--1200--9600 Lyman 3rd Edition has same data.

July 17, 2008, 09:06 PM	#8
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,943	Hey Red Eagle; we're practically neighbors. I'll be driving through in a couple weeks going up home for a fishing trip. Ever hear of Black Lake? I grew up up there. __________________ If you want your children to follow in your footsteps, be careful where you walk. Beware the man that only owns one gun; he probably knows how to use it. I just hope my ship comes in before my dock rots.

July 19, 2008, 12:03 AM	#10
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	If you change over from green dot to a Hodgon Clays or International powder it will burn a lot cleaner.

July 24, 2008, 11:15 AM	#11
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	Email to Mec, New one on me. I emailed mec about the powder difference and here is what they emailed back. This normally is related to static in the powder. Check the powder bottle for possible static in the powder. The powder would be clinging to the side of the bottle. To eliminate this, tear a small strip of a Cling Free or Bounce anti -static sheet and hang in the top side of the bottle. Put the red cap back in the bottle with some of the static sheet hanging out to prevent the sheet from falling in and clogging up the hole in the bottom of the bottle. Shake the bottle a few times and then reinstall on the reloader. If you have any further questions or need to obtain parts, feel free to contact us again or call us at 1-800-797-4632, CST., 8:00 AM - 4:00 PM.