New Machinegun Builds

KILLJOY1 · September 13, 2005, 01:59 PM

HOW ARE NEW MACHINEGUNS ABLE TO BUILT AND SOLD LIKE THE TIPPMAN .22. IS THAT NOT A NEW MACHINE GUN? I THOUGHT THAT MAKING A NEW MG WAS ILLEGAL FOR CIVILLIANS ON OWN PER NFA RULES.

KREW3 · September 13, 2005, 03:41 PM

Stop Yelling K Thnx Bye

shaggy · September 13, 2005, 04:57 PM

New machineguns may be made by a licensed manufacturer (07 FFL/SOT) for law enforcement or military, or demonstration to such. These are known as "post-samples" (post-1986, sales samples). They may also be bought by a licensed dealer (01 FFL/SOT) with a demonstration request letter by a law enforcement agency.

Additionally, there is a provision in federal law that allows the Sec. of the Treasury (IIRC) to grant a waiver to an unlicensed individual to make post-86 machineguns, but only for direct sale to the US government.

KILLJOY1 · September 13, 2005, 05:36 PM

So Then The Tippman Minatures Are Sold To Le Or Military Only?
Or Does The Caliber Make It Ok? MAKE NO MISTAKE, I WOULD LOVE TO OWN ONE. INFACT I AM IN THE MARKET FOR A FULL AUTO .22, OR A GUN THAT HAS A CHEAP CONVERSION. 500 ROUNDS FOR $10.00 IS ALOT CHEAPER THAN $10.00 FOR 5 ROUNDS OF WHAT EVER

shaggy · September 13, 2005, 05:43 PM

Caliber has nothing to do with it.

If they were made after May 19, 1986, they are "post-samples", ostensibly for demonstration/sale to law enforcement or military. That said, many 07/SOTs make weapons they know they cannot sell, but do it legally under the aegis of their license for their own use. Those post-samples, however, cannot be kept if their license lapses or if they relinquish their license. At that point, the sample must either be sold off to a qualified buyer or destroyed.

Hkmp5sd · September 13, 2005, 07:06 PM

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INFACT I AM IN THE MARKET FOR A FULL AUTO .22, OR A GUN THAT HAS A CHEAP CONVERSION.

The cheapest you will find is a M11/9 submachinegun. You can then buy a .22LR upper that uses Ruger 10/22 magazines. Takes under 10 seconds to do the conversion.

September 13, 2005, 01:59 PM	#1
KILLJOY1 Junior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 13	New Machinegun Builds HOW ARE NEW MACHINEGUNS ABLE TO BUILT AND SOLD LIKE THE TIPPMAN .22. IS THAT NOT A NEW MACHINE GUN? I THOUGHT THAT MAKING A NEW MG WAS ILLEGAL FOR CIVILLIANS ON OWN PER NFA RULES. Last edited by KILLJOY1; September 13, 2005 at 03:57 PM.

September 13, 2005, 03:41 PM	#2
KREW3 Member Join Date: August 17, 2005 Posts: 34	Stop Yelling K Thnx Bye __________________ Racingsouthwest

September 13, 2005, 04:57 PM	#3
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	New machineguns may be made by a licensed manufacturer (07 FFL/SOT) for law enforcement or military, or demonstration to such. These are known as "post-samples" (post-1986, sales samples). They may also be bought by a licensed dealer (01 FFL/SOT) with a demonstration request letter by a law enforcement agency. Additionally, there is a provision in federal law that allows the Sec. of the Treasury (IIRC) to grant a waiver to an unlicensed individual to make post-86 machineguns, but only for direct sale to the US government.

September 13, 2005, 05:36 PM	#4
KILLJOY1 Junior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 13	So Then The Tippman Minatures Are Sold To Le Or Military Only? Or Does The Caliber Make It Ok? MAKE NO MISTAKE, I WOULD LOVE TO OWN ONE. INFACT I AM IN THE MARKET FOR A FULL AUTO .22, OR A GUN THAT HAS A CHEAP CONVERSION. 500 ROUNDS FOR $10.00 IS ALOT CHEAPER THAN $10.00 FOR 5 ROUNDS OF WHAT EVER

September 13, 2005, 05:43 PM	#5
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	Caliber has nothing to do with it. If they were made after May 19, 1986, they are "post-samples", ostensibly for demonstration/sale to law enforcement or military. That said, many 07/SOTs make weapons they know they cannot sell, but do it legally under the aegis of their license for their own use. Those post-samples, however, cannot be kept if their license lapses or if they relinquish their license. At that point, the sample must either be sold off to a qualified buyer or destroyed.