Neostead

kobun · August 18, 2002, 09:57 PM

By request I will post a few pics of my Neostead.
As most of you know, this is a pump action shotgun, with a 22.5" barrel, that takes 2 3/4 and 3" magnum shells.
Total length is 27", wich is WERY short!!!

It has twin magasines on top of the gun. The shooter can with a lever select wich magasine the gun feeds from. In the top position, the shells will be picked alternatly.
Capasity is 6+6+1 for a total of 13 shells.

Enjoy...

Kobun

kobun · August 18, 2002, 09:59 PM

NS with the stock removed.
The shooter can remove the stock in a split second for clearing malfunctions.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:01 PM

NS with the magasines in loading position.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:04 PM

A close look at the magasin tubes.
The selector is here in the alternate position.
As you can see, the right shell is a little further back. The gun will feed this round first.
By pushing the right round 1/2" inn, the left will pop rearward, becoming the first round to feed.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:07 PM

Here the selector is to the left, blocking the left magasine.
Now the gun will only feed from the right tube.
It is also easier to fill one tube, then block it off in this way, and then fill the other tube.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:10 PM

Here the pumping mecanism is to the front. The barrel is now pulled out of the action, and a shell has been dropped into the feeding system.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:11 PM

Here the gun is loaded with two kinds of ammo.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:13 PM

Here you can see the feeding system.
One shell has been pushed down by the loading arm. It is now ready to have the barrel pulled back over it.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:14 PM

A picture taken through the ghost ring sight.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:16 PM

NS with mags open and pump to the front.

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:19 PM

A look at the witness holes in the mag tubes.
One can clearly see the different shells in the tubes.

Tell me if there are anything in particular you want to have a look at.

Kobun

kobun · August 18, 2002, 10:41 PM

OK. One more

For size comparison:
Benelli M1 Super 90 18" barrel.
Neostead 22,5" barrel, 27" oa length.
AUG 16" barrel
G3

Kobun

Andrew Wyatt · August 18, 2002, 11:36 PM

How much did your neostead cost and where did you get it?

Dave McC · August 19, 2002, 06:59 AM

Thanks for posting all those, Kobun. The NS seems to be an excellent shotgun for "Serious" usage. A coupla queries....

What's the overall weight empty?

What's the trigger pull weight"

And have you shot any fast and close COFS, comparing your times and scores with this to a more common "Serious" shotgun? That low bbl may be the ticket for straight line recoil and faster followup shots.

IMO, getting used to pumping forward might be a prob for us old dinosaurs,but I see no other disadvantage.

dfaugh · August 19, 2002, 08:00 AM

I love bullpups...So, are these in current production? I've never seen or heard of one before (Which probably means I can't afford it!)

fal308 · August 19, 2002, 11:26 AM

This is a shotgun that cries out for speedloader tubes for quicker reloading.
Been a while since I've read up on these, where do the empties eject?
Also I assume it's idiot-proof against out-of-battery firing orit could have dire consequences on your off hand and the forearm.
Would take quite a bit of training to fully ulitize it's full potential (lethal mag vs less lethal mag etc).
Any way to mount the dreaded "tactical" accessories (i.e. flashlight, extra ammo, car keys etc)?

Denny Hansen · August 19, 2002, 12:09 PM

Thanks for the pics Kobun. Cool shotgun.

A brief history:
Back in '95 Ithaca had a provisional agreement with Tony Neophytou and Heyns Stead (hence the name) to manufacture the Neostead in the U.S. Retail was planned to be in the $1000 range (1995 dollars). Colt was also reportedly interested in the design. Shortly after, however, the Striker/Streetsweeper and USAS-12 shotguns were classified as Destructive Devices, and plans to produce the shotgun in the U.S. withered on the vine.

As far as I know, there are presently no plans to manufacture or import it into "the land of the free."

Dave-
You're exactly right about the reverse pumping action. After working with it, IMO the Neostead could cause problems under stress for those of us who are long in the tooth with 870s.

Denny

eyeballz · August 19, 2002, 12:21 PM

Nice Gun.

Dave McC · August 19, 2002, 12:36 PM

Thanks, Denny. This shotgun may be best for those not used to conventional pumps.

OTOH, I bet a bit of training and familiarization would see amazing second shot times. Think about it.

Fire, pump forward with the recoil aiding for the first few millseconds. Pump back, chambering a new round and reseating the butt into the shoulder simultaneously, repeat. In theory, should be VERY fast.

But, nigh 50 years of 870 shooting is not to be set aside lightly. Maybe it's just as well if I can't get hold of one of these....

Correia · August 19, 2002, 01:32 PM

Damn you ATF! I want one of these...these... Things!

I never could understand the logic of the destructive device rulings. Oh wait, I forgot, there ain't no logic involved.

Correia · August 19, 2002, 01:43 PM

Ok, serious questions for Kobun:

1. You show the stock removed and mention for clearing a malfunction. Is this how you clear a jam?

2. It looks like the barrel unlocks, and moves forward and then goes over the shell. Strange for those of us used to traditional shotguns. How does it work? Has it been reliable? Does it feed ok? (Since you move the barrel forward, I"m going to guess that this gun can't really be shortstroked).

3. Are the witness holes in the magazine open, or covered in a clear plastic? If they are open, does dirt and junk get into your tubes?

4. I'm not sure from the pictures, but where is the safety, and how does it work?

5. Due to the straight line stock, how is recoil?

Ok thats it for now. But I still wish that we could import these things.

CWL · August 19, 2002, 04:08 PM

Nice Kobun,

I want one.

Justin · August 19, 2002, 05:25 PM

Correia-
If you pop open the first picture he posted, you can see the safety system just in front of the trigger. There's a red and white dot, with what I assume is a selector switch underneath it.

Regarding the legality of importing/manufacturing the Neostead in the US, I would think that this would have to be completely legal, because there are no laws governing the capacity of pump-action shotguns, only autoloaders.
So, in theory a Neostead should be legal for US citizens to own.
Of course, the written law and the edicts of the BATF usually have nothing to do with one another.

Denny Hansen · August 19, 2002, 06:03 PM

Caliban-

I'm not sure if it's legal to import or not, just saying US manufacturer's lost interest after the Strikers/Streetsweepers were classified as DDs--and they operated like giant double-action revolvers.

Denny

Desert01 · July 23, 2005, 08:24 AM

DOES ANYONE HAVE UPDATED INFO ON THE NEOSTEAD? I am working on a paper in referance to the Neostead and need some updated info. Kobun, do you still have yours, This has proven to be a very difficult firearm to research. May I use your photos in my paper?

Have any major European or African Agencies adopted it?

Robert

August 19, 2002, 08:00 AM	#15
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August 19, 2002, 12:09 PM	#17
Denny Hansen Staff Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,422	Thanks for the pics Kobun. Cool shotgun. A brief history: Back in '95 Ithaca had a provisional agreement with Tony Neophytou and Heyns Stead (hence the name) to manufacture the Neostead in the U.S. Retail was planned to be in the $1000 range (1995 dollars). Colt was also reportedly interested in the design. Shortly after, however, the Striker/Streetsweeper and USAS-12 shotguns were classified as Destructive Devices, and plans to produce the shotgun in the U.S. withered on the vine. As far as I know, there are presently no plans to manufacture or import it into "the land of the free." Dave- You're exactly right about the reverse pumping action. After working with it, IMO the Neostead could cause problems under stress for those of us who are long in the tooth with 870s. Denny __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

August 19, 2002, 12:21 PM	#18
eyeballz Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2002 Posts: 320	Nice Gun. __________________ WAR EAGLE! EBZ

August 19, 2002, 05:25 PM	#23
Justin Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,641	I am not kobun, nor do I play him on TV... Correia- If you pop open the first picture he posted, you can see the safety system just in front of the trigger. There's a red and white dot, with what I assume is a selector switch underneath it. Regarding the legality of importing/manufacturing the Neostead in the US, I would think that this would have to be completely legal, because there are no laws governing the capacity of pump-action shotguns, only autoloaders. So, in theory a Neostead should be legal for US citizens to own. Of course, the written law and the edicts of the BATF usually have nothing to do with one another.

August 19, 2002, 06:03 PM	#24
Denny Hansen Staff Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,422	Caliban- I'm not sure if it's legal to import or not, just saying US manufacturer's lost interest after the Strikers/Streetsweepers were classified as DDs--and they operated like giant double-action revolvers. Denny __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

August 18, 2002, 11:36 PM	#13
Andrew Wyatt Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Bakersfield, Kommiefornia Posts: 549	How much did your neostead cost and where did you get it?

August 19, 2002, 06:59 AM	#14
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Thanks for posting all those, Kobun. The NS seems to be an excellent shotgun for "Serious" usage. A coupla queries.... What's the overall weight empty? What's the trigger pull weight" And have you shot any fast and close COFS, comparing your times and scores with this to a more common "Serious" shotgun? That low bbl may be the ticket for straight line recoil and faster followup shots. IMO, getting used to pumping forward might be a prob for us old dinosaurs,but I see no other disadvantage.

August 19, 2002, 11:26 AM	#16
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	This is a shotgun that cries out for speedloader tubes for quicker reloading. Been a while since I've read up on these, where do the empties eject? Also I assume it's idiot-proof against out-of-battery firing orit could have dire consequences on your off hand and the forearm. Would take quite a bit of training to fully ulitize it's full potential (lethal mag vs less lethal mag etc). Any way to mount the dreaded "tactical" accessories (i.e. flashlight, extra ammo, car keys etc)?

August 19, 2002, 12:36 PM	#19
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Thanks, Denny. This shotgun may be best for those not used to conventional pumps. OTOH, I bet a bit of training and familiarization would see amazing second shot times. Think about it. Fire, pump forward with the recoil aiding for the first few millseconds. Pump back, chambering a new round and reseating the butt into the shoulder simultaneously, repeat. In theory, should be VERY fast. But, nigh 50 years of 870 shooting is not to be set aside lightly. Maybe it's just as well if I can't get hold of one of these....

August 19, 2002, 01:32 PM	#20
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	Damn you ATF! I want one of these...these... Things! I never could understand the logic of the destructive device rulings. Oh wait, I forgot, there ain't no logic involved.

August 19, 2002, 01:43 PM	#21
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	Ok, serious questions for Kobun: 1. You show the stock removed and mention for clearing a malfunction. Is this how you clear a jam? 2. It looks like the barrel unlocks, and moves forward and then goes over the shell. Strange for those of us used to traditional shotguns. How does it work? Has it been reliable? Does it feed ok? (Since you move the barrel forward, I"m going to guess that this gun can't really be shortstroked). 3. Are the witness holes in the magazine open, or covered in a clear plastic? If they are open, does dirt and junk get into your tubes? 4. I'm not sure from the pictures, but where is the safety, and how does it work? 5. Due to the straight line stock, how is recoil? Ok thats it for now. But I still wish that we could import these things.

August 19, 2002, 04:08 PM	#22
CWL Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,576	Nice Kobun, I want one.

July 23, 2005, 08:24 AM	#25
Desert01 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: Castorland, NY Posts: 545	Neostead Update DOES ANYONE HAVE UPDATED INFO ON THE NEOSTEAD? I am working on a paper in referance to the Neostead and need some updated info. Kobun, do you still have yours, This has proven to be a very difficult firearm to research. May I use your photos in my paper? Have any major European or African Agencies adopted it? Robert Last edited by Desert01; July 23, 2005 at 08:41 AM. Reason: Additional info