Cartridge Collecting - Page 2

markm_04 · February 22, 2015, 10:41 AM

I guess I don't really have an organized thought in my head of how I want to collect cartridges. I am particularly interested in American cartridges at the moment but may expand into foreign designs and military cartridges in the future. I don't want to get overwhelmed and get discouraged early on so I figured I would stick to a smaller area of interest for now.

There are very few public ranges nearby and I would like to collect complete cartridges rather than spent casings (not saying I won't pick up unique spent casings along the way). Hopefully I can find some goodies at gun shows when they come through the area and maybe some auctions here and there.

Has anyone bought from Ammo-One before? I have browsed their website to look at different cartridges and it seems like a very good reference in itself.

I don't like asking for handouts by any means but would be interested in making a deal if anyone has any items they would consider offering up.

Dennis6474 · February 24, 2015, 12:20 PM

I have one 455 Colt with a Dominion headstamp. It appears a lead bullet. I do not collect cartridges so if you want it I would be glad to add to your collection. I found it in a box of yard sale junk years ago and just could not bring myself to throw it away.

**Mike Irwin** · February 24, 2015, 01:17 PM

.455 Colt from Dominion was, I'm pretty sure, loaded only with lead bullets. It was the longer .455 Mk I case loaded for Colt & S&W revolvers that were in service with Canadian government police and paramilitary organizations.

Many of these revolvers were, oddly enough, marked .455 Eley...

ETA: Nope, just found a picture of .455 Colt Dominion loaded with a jacketed bullet...

pesta2 · February 25, 2015, 03:19 PM

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Hey pesta2, by any chance was that collection building somewhere near Tucson, Arizona?

He is from PA.

markm_04 · March 2, 2015, 11:56 PM

I received my "Cartridges of the World" book a couple of days ago (14th edition btw AMP 44). It has been very useful so far but I have found it does not contain everything, but I guess I shouldn't expect it to.

I have a .257 Condor round that I can't find much information about.

I have asked around some of the gun shops and no one seems to know of any cartridge collecting clubs or individual collectors for that matter in my small part of the world.

**Mike Irwin** · March 3, 2015, 01:05 PM

COTW is a good primer, but it is by no means even remotely comprehensive.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of cartridges not listed in COTW, including many that were manufactured for years.

Another good book to have is Jean Huon's Military Rifle and Machine Gun Cartridges.

jonnyc · March 3, 2015, 05:16 PM

Mark, in similar posts of yours on other sites I have suggested that you check out the International Ammunition Association (IAA) at:
www.cartridgecollectors.org
Plenty of collector info for you, as well as info on cartridge shows. You live relatively close to the biggest cartridge show in the world, the SLICS Show this April, in St. Louis.
If you join the IAA, you will also get the members' directory and you can contact other collectors near and far. Check out the Forum on the IAA site. Ask all the questions you want, TONS of collective wisdom there.

sgms · March 3, 2015, 09:23 PM

Saw a site selling individual rounds of the 257 condor ( www.ammo-one.com )and the information they had is that the round was developed by Dr. Ramon Somoria and Normas designer Niles Kvale norma is supose to have only made one lot of the .257 Condor.

markm_04 · March 3, 2015, 09:33 PM

Thanks for the information sgms. I will check it out, I hadn't seen any published information on the round. That would make sense, the case is head stamped Norma Re .257 Condor. Not sure how much is in a "lot", but if that's all that was manufactured, might not be too many of them around.

Emerson Biggies · March 5, 2015, 07:42 PM

I collected artillery rounds for years. I have Janes Ammunition 2008. The Janes book is hard to come by in many ways, but has a lot of skinny on smaller ammo too.

Ridge_Runner_5 · March 7, 2015, 02:02 AM

I've got a small collection, and all but a couple cases are rounds I've fired...

9mm
45acp
30 carbine
5.45x39
5.56x45
7.62x39
7.62x51
45-70
12ga
-flechette
-grapeshot
-50BMG sabot
-dragon's breathe
enbloc of 30-06
50BMG
40mm

I should really toss in one of my rounds of .22 in there :P

February 24, 2015, 01:17 PM	#28
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,383	.455 Colt from Dominion was, I'm pretty sure, loaded only with lead bullets. It was the longer .455 Mk I case loaded for Colt & S&W revolvers that were in service with Canadian government police and paramilitary organizations. Many of these revolvers were, oddly enough, marked .455 Eley... ETA: Nope, just found a picture of .455 Colt Dominion loaded with a jacketed bullet... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 3, 2015, 01:05 PM	#31
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,383	COTW is a good primer, but it is by no means even remotely comprehensive. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of cartridges not listed in COTW, including many that were manufactured for years. Another good book to have is Jean Huon's Military Rifle and Machine Gun Cartridges. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 3, 2015, 05:16 PM	#32
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	Mark, in similar posts of yours on other sites I have suggested that you check out the International Ammunition Association (IAA) at: www.cartridgecollectors.org Plenty of collector info for you, as well as info on cartridge shows. You live relatively close to the biggest cartridge show in the world, the SLICS Show this April, in St. Louis. If you join the IAA, you will also get the members' directory and you can contact other collectors near and far. Check out the Forum on the IAA site. Ask all the questions you want, TONS of collective wisdom there. __________________ 2024 PA Cartridge Collector Show; Aug. 16-17, 2024!!! Buy...Sell...Trade All Types of Ammunition & Ordnance PM or email me for 2024 show details.

February 22, 2015, 10:41 AM	#26
markm_04 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2013 Location: Maysville, MO Posts: 111	I guess I don't really have an organized thought in my head of how I want to collect cartridges. I am particularly interested in American cartridges at the moment but may expand into foreign designs and military cartridges in the future. I don't want to get overwhelmed and get discouraged early on so I figured I would stick to a smaller area of interest for now. There are very few public ranges nearby and I would like to collect complete cartridges rather than spent casings (not saying I won't pick up unique spent casings along the way). Hopefully I can find some goodies at gun shows when they come through the area and maybe some auctions here and there. Has anyone bought from Ammo-One before? I have browsed their website to look at different cartridges and it seems like a very good reference in itself. I don't like asking for handouts by any means but would be interested in making a deal if anyone has any items they would consider offering up.

February 24, 2015, 12:20 PM	#27
Dennis6474 Member Join Date: October 6, 2011 Location: Florida Panhandle Posts: 84	I have one 455 Colt with a Dominion headstamp. It appears a lead bullet. I do not collect cartridges so if you want it I would be glad to add to your collection. I found it in a box of yard sale junk years ago and just could not bring myself to throw it away.

March 2, 2015, 11:56 PM	#30
markm_04 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2013 Location: Maysville, MO Posts: 111	I received my "Cartridges of the World" book a couple of days ago (14th edition btw AMP 44). It has been very useful so far but I have found it does not contain everything, but I guess I shouldn't expect it to. I have a .257 Condor round that I can't find much information about. I have asked around some of the gun shops and no one seems to know of any cartridge collecting clubs or individual collectors for that matter in my small part of the world.

March 3, 2015, 09:23 PM	#33
sgms Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2010 Location: Arizona or Ohio depending Posts: 1,021	Saw a site selling individual rounds of the 257 condor ( www.ammo-one.com )and the information they had is that the round was developed by Dr. Ramon Somoria and Normas designer Niles Kvale norma is supose to have only made one lot of the .257 Condor.

March 3, 2015, 09:33 PM	#34
markm_04 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2013 Location: Maysville, MO Posts: 111	Thanks for the information sgms. I will check it out, I hadn't seen any published information on the round. That would make sense, the case is head stamped Norma Re .257 Condor. Not sure how much is in a "lot", but if that's all that was manufactured, might not be too many of them around.

March 5, 2015, 07:42 PM	#35
Emerson Biggies Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2014 Posts: 163	I collected artillery rounds for years. I have Janes Ammunition 2008. The Janes book is hard to come by in many ways, but has a lot of skinny on smaller ammo too.

March 7, 2015, 02:02 AM	#36
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	I've got a small collection, and all but a couple cases are rounds I've fired... 9mm 45acp 30 carbine 5.45x39 5.56x45 7.62x39 7.62x51 45-70 12ga -flechette -grapeshot -50BMG sabot -dragon's breathe enbloc of 30-06 50BMG 40mm I should really toss in one of my rounds of .22 in there :P