August 12, 2013, 09:58 PM | #1 |
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Ammo quality going down?
Went to a new range, they don't allow steel cased ammo so I couldn't bring in my cheap Russian crap .223
I was forced to spend 16.99 on a box of American eagle. I've put 1,000s of rounds through my AR, almost exclusively Russian/soviet block steel - monarch, Tul and wolf. Never once a failure. Had 3 of 10 not fire. !!!! Had real nice deep dents in the middle of the primer. Found a box of federal in my bag, perfect 20 for 20. Just wondering if anyone has noticed a drop in QC during the shortage. I'm upset that now I can't say I've ever had a misfire in my AR. |
August 12, 2013, 10:40 PM | #2 |
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What is your firing pin in your AR made of? I think that Russian ammo typically has harder primers. If that is usually what you shoot in high volume the. Maybe you have worn your FP over time. They don't sell titanium firing pins for nothing.
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August 12, 2013, 11:20 PM | #3 |
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Interesting that the AE didnt work and federal; did. AE is made by federal.
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August 13, 2013, 10:26 AM | #4 |
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Still scratching my head over your range banning steel case ammo.
AP rounds I understand, steel jacketed bullets I get, tracers definitely. But steel case rounds with regular lead bullets ?????? |
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"Steel cased ammo typically has steel core bullets (and is therefore armor piercing"
Thats what my local range officers say anyways. |
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To say steel cased ammo also usually means the rounds are AP is a crock. |
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Yup, a lot of places require you to pass the magnet test... The steel case will always fail, therefore you can't use it...
Unfortunately I haven't gone shooting since Feb so I haven't seen any decrease in quality. My dad bought a bunch of remanufactured ammo that he hasn't had as good of luck with as I have with my Tulammo. |
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Ammo quality going down?
Since Feb? You poor soul...
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It does stand to reason that if a manufacturer will not spend any extra money on brass cases, why would he spend any extra money on guilding metal jackets?
Steel cases and jackets = lowest bidder. |
August 14, 2013, 12:29 AM | #10 |
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I've been working with my MK. X Mini-Mauser in .223 a bit lately and started having what I though was accuracy problems due to a stock bedding issue. The W-W "Ranger" 55 gr PSP's that normally did quite well, would barely break 3 MOA. And some W-W white box FMJ stuff was worse.
Fortunately I shot some groups w/ match grade factory (Rem 62 gr) and some carefully assembled handloads which produced about 1MOA and restored my faith in the little rifle. My thought was that they are slapping most .223 together in an attempt to meet demand these days and some quality and component standards may have been relaxed. |
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I believe the door to their business works both ways.......... As to the functioning issue, the Federal stuff should have worked, it always has in mine (now my son's) AR Take pics and call/send to Federal/ATK. With machinery running 24/7/365, OOPS is going to happen now and again |
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I don't buy any centerfire ammo except the "cheap Russian crap" I use for my AK, so I can't say whether or not ammo quality is suffering, but the "cheap Russian crap" goes bang every time. I'd consider reloading 7.62x39, but bullets are expensive, brass is hard to find and my gun throws the steel about 50 feet northeast.
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BigD- Yeah they held me down at gunpoint while they yelled at me
Had driven 25 miles to try out the new range so was gonna give it a "shot" per se regardless. Their reasoning on the steel case it they keep the brass and sell it, they get charged back quite a bit from the brass collector if he finds anything mixed. As for A E and Federal, yeah thought the same thing, didnt know if the AE was a "value line". Ill take a pic of the firing pin, but it worked fine on the russian stuff a few weeks ago, not a material science major, but I don't believe the metal would soften or wear down that quickly. As I said before, my rifle has fired several thousand rounds. When I can find a cool day (in FL that means high 80s) Ill go back to an outdoor range with the russian stuff and see if I have any issues. I did save the box of AE in case I did decide to email them. |
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I know that feeling - was all set to go to a fairly new indoor range because it had AC, but they said no reloads allowed - of any kind - as a few idiots had some issues and did some damage, so everyone gets restricted |
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November 6, 2013, 07:58 PM | #16 |
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Went to the outdoor range last week, ran 120 rounds of Tulammo and monarch, no issues. One mag of federal and boom within the first 10 rounds a failure, clean centered dent on primer but no ignition.
Just got in my freedom munitions reload 62 grain, took it to an indoor range and fired 85 rounds, no issues, these were rather fast shots, no more than 1.5 seconds between shots, and several triple shots. Will have to try some non federal new ammo. Just don't understand, I've always been under the impression that cheap ammo has hard primers or at least sub par primers. |
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Contact the ammo manufacturer (if you want to go through the hassle) and see if they can send you some free ammo |
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A lot of these ranges sell the brass left behind to ammo manufacturers and steel cases can't be reloaded.
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