Fackler Vs. Marshall

FrankDrebin · February 14, 2005, 11:22 PM

Could Martin Fackler beat up Evan Marshall?

Nnobby45 · February 15, 2005, 02:48 AM

They would never try to beat each other up. It's some of the rest of us who use one or the other to support our views on stopping power, by referring to the one that supports his preconceived notions, while often unjustly criticizing the other. Seems to me, that for the open minded, there's something to be learned from each, without worshiping either.

Alright, I took the bait and replied to a question from someone who wants to stir up trouble and sit back and amuse himself during the ensuing arguments.

garrettwc · February 15, 2005, 04:08 PM

What Nnobby45 said.

If there was one true 100% accurate testing method, the ammo manufacturers would be using it and advertising that theirs was "The Best!".

Each group can provide data, based on their theories, about what might work. Regardless of caliber or bullet design, handguns are puny stoppers.

You have to be prepared for the possibilitythat the bad guy hasn't read your pet theory and doesn't know he's supposed to fall down.

seb5 · February 15, 2005, 05:07 PM

+1, I think that they both do a credible job of trying to figure out what works. I alos think that many bashers try to read something into thier writings that is'nt there.

OBIWAN · February 17, 2005, 11:33 AM

Back to the original question

My honor student could kick both their butts

cje1980 · February 20, 2005, 04:37 AM

Why and what would it prove. I don't think the handgun stopping power will ever be resolved because at the moment there is not an exact method for testing and measuring ammo that applies in every instance to field work.

KC135 · February 20, 2005, 04:53 PM

One is a friend, the other has some great work.

While they may have differences, it is my belief that both want the best ammo available for the good guys.

caegal · February 20, 2005, 04:57 PM

Yes. And I have $20.00 to prove it.

Brian D. · February 21, 2005, 05:12 PM

..I think Sledge Hammer could whup Frank Drebbin though.

Unique 5.7 · February 22, 2005, 11:40 AM

Ditka could kick either one of them around the block.

caegal · February 22, 2005, 04:40 PM

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Ditka could kick either one of them around the block.

Well, yeah if you are talking about the 1985 Ditka...I am not too sure about 2005 Ditka though...

FrankDrebin · February 22, 2005, 04:54 PM

Who's "Sledge Hammer"?

nagantfan · February 22, 2005, 05:04 PM

You guys are really, really right on. I've read stuff in magazines and (especially) all over the internet, usually really slamming Marshall or Fackler. It can get pretty vicious. It's so silly, and so needless.

Some stuff each of them says makes sense to me. Boils down to whether you like big and slow or fast and little. Regardless, I wouldn't want to be shot with ANYTHING, even things both Fackler and Marshall would agree were very poor stoppers.

There is no perfect way to conclusively determine stopping power. Period.

Bullet placement matters more than caliber or ammo, and a handgun isn't something you really ought to put a lot of faith in when it comes to stopping determined attackers anyway. I think Both Marshall and Fackler would agree with that, by the way.

My two cents' worth.

caegal · February 22, 2005, 09:01 PM

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You guys are really, really right on. I've read stuff in magazines and (especially) all over the internet, usually really slamming Marshall or Fackler. It can get pretty vicious. It's so silly, and so needless.

Oh yeah?!?!? And Fackler can kick your butt too!! (or do I like Marshall??? I forget sometimes)

baker1425 · February 22, 2005, 09:34 PM

Having met Ed, (great guy, knows his stuff), my money's on him. He has a heck of a reach. Plus those other guys are getting kind of long in the tooth for a bumfight deal

Unique 5.7 · February 23, 2005, 08:04 AM

Ditka 2005 could just sit on them.

Denny Hansen · February 23, 2005, 11:20 AM

My daddy’s tougher than yours arguments are better suited to email or PM.
Denny

February 14, 2005, 11:22 PM	#1
FrankDrebin Junior member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Posts: 1,101	Fackler Vs. Marshall Could Martin Fackler beat up Evan Marshall?

February 15, 2005, 05:07 PM	#4
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February 21, 2005, 05:12 PM	#9
Brian D. Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2002 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 230	Not sure about MF vs. EM.. ..I think Sledge Hammer could whup Frank Drebbin though. __________________ "...give me a Rohrbaugh." --Jeff OTMG, 6/22/04. Hmm, that's probably the only way I'd get one, at least until CDNN has a closeout sale like on those Autauga .32s..

February 22, 2005, 11:40 AM	#10
Unique 5.7 Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2005 Location: The Heartland Posts: 214	Ditka could kick either one of them around the block. __________________ "Never underestimate the power of a guilty conscience." - Det. Alexandra Eames, "Law & Order: Criminal Intent"

February 22, 2005, 09:34 PM	#15
baker1425 Junior Member Join Date: June 30, 2004 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 4	my money's on Ed Sanow Having met Ed, (great guy, knows his stuff), my money's on him. He has a heck of a reach. Plus those other guys are getting kind of long in the tooth for a bumfight deal

February 15, 2005, 02:48 AM	#2
Nnobby45 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2004 Posts: 3,150	They would never try to beat each other up. It's some of the rest of us who use one or the other to support our views on stopping power, by referring to the one that supports his preconceived notions, while often unjustly criticizing the other. Seems to me, that for the open minded, there's something to be learned from each, without worshiping either. Alright, I took the bait and replied to a question from someone who wants to stir up trouble and sit back and amuse himself during the ensuing arguments.

February 15, 2005, 04:08 PM	#3
garrettwc Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2001 Posts: 641	What Nnobby45 said. If there was one true 100% accurate testing method, the ammo manufacturers would be using it and advertising that theirs was "The Best!". Each group can provide data, based on their theories, about what might work. Regardless of caliber or bullet design, handguns are puny stoppers. You have to be prepared for the possibilitythat the bad guy hasn't read your pet theory and doesn't know he's supposed to fall down.

February 17, 2005, 11:33 AM	#5
OBIWAN Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,340	Back to the original question My honor student could kick both their butts

February 20, 2005, 04:37 AM	#6
cje1980 Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,412	Why and what would it prove. I don't think the handgun stopping power will ever be resolved because at the moment there is not an exact method for testing and measuring ammo that applies in every instance to field work.

February 20, 2005, 04:53 PM	#7
KC135 Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2004 Location: Midwest Posts: 222	One is a friend, the other has some great work. While they may have differences, it is my belief that both want the best ammo available for the good guys.

February 20, 2005, 04:57 PM	#8
caegal Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2005 Posts: 114	Yes. And I have $20.00 to prove it.

February 22, 2005, 04:54 PM	#12
FrankDrebin Junior member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Posts: 1,101	Who's "Sledge Hammer"?

February 22, 2005, 05:04 PM	#13
nagantfan Member Join Date: June 22, 2004 Location: The Sooner State Posts: 77	You guys are really, really right on. I've read stuff in magazines and (especially) all over the internet, usually really slamming Marshall or Fackler. It can get pretty vicious. It's so silly, and so needless. Some stuff each of them says makes sense to me. Boils down to whether you like big and slow or fast and little. Regardless, I wouldn't want to be shot with ANYTHING, even things both Fackler and Marshall would agree were very poor stoppers. There is no perfect way to conclusively determine stopping power. Period. Bullet placement matters more than caliber or ammo, and a handgun isn't something you really ought to put a lot of faith in when it comes to stopping determined attackers anyway. I think Both Marshall and Fackler would agree with that, by the way. My two cents' worth.

February 23, 2005, 08:04 AM	#16
Unique 5.7 Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2005 Location: The Heartland Posts: 214	Ditka 2005 could just sit on them. __________________ "Never underestimate the power of a guilty conscience." - Det. Alexandra Eames, "Law & Order: Criminal Intent"

February 23, 2005, 11:20 AM	#17
Denny Hansen Staff Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,422	My daddy’s tougher than yours arguments are better suited to email or PM. Denny __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook