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Old May 24, 2004, 04:44 PM   #26
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You never answered the ringing question:

Did you hit the can?
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Old May 24, 2004, 04:48 PM   #27
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This is the reason for supressors.
I'm getting one for my short barreled 223 soon.
If you can't get a supressor, get some electronic ear protection, adjust them to size and hang them by your defencive gun.
It only takes a second or two to put on, and will probably show the intruder that you are willing to go all the way in protecting yourself.
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Old May 25, 2004, 08:04 AM   #28
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If you can't get a supressor, get some electronic ear protection, adjust them to size and hang them by your defencive gun.
I'll have to practice this, though I admit that I am reluctant to add too much to my routine. I am concerned that I might take too long if I am putting on muffs and turning them on. I know it isn't that long, but seconds can count.
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Old May 25, 2004, 08:54 AM   #29
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As an industrial hygiene and occupational safety specialist I'll corroborate those that have said that auditory exclusion will not protect your hearing. Any firearms discharge has the potential to permanetly damage your hearing depending upon the sound pressure reaching your ear drum. Sound absorbing/reflecting materials will change what the power of the noise is as well as proximity to the source of noise.

Hearing loss is cumulative and by the time that it is noticed you will have lost a considerable portion of your hearing.
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Old May 25, 2004, 08:55 AM   #30
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I seem to recall reading about a narc who fired a snubby magnum inside an automobile and was left permanantly deaf.
Oh well, at least he lived....
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Old May 25, 2004, 09:50 AM   #31
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lucky me sneezed and blew my right ear out

now i can put my left hand finger in my left ear and shoot right handed.so im ok as long as i rember it.you never can tell i just might rember it im well aware that i need to protect my good ear,thanks,keith
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Old June 3, 2004, 08:42 AM   #32
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Practice shooting gang-bange style. That way a right-handed shooter can cover your right ear by sticking it against the right upper arm and stick the left hand over the weakside ear.

When I had finally, or so I thouthg, worked out my home defense plan, I had my SG lying on the floor, muzzle to the foot of the bed (but not pointed at the TV! I don't care what Gabe Suarez says, my TV is as important as I am ). My sidearm was in a shoulder rig hanging from the window crank closest to the bed. The bedside gun was on the bedside table. My glasses were on that table as well. The magnum flashlight was upright next to the bedside table. I also had a pair of cargo pants hanging by a set of suspenders from the adjacent window crank. If I go, I ani't goin' in my FTLs. And, over the suspenders, an ear prtection set with electric noise suppression and background sound enhancement.

Well, the plan was, at the first sign of anything going wrong, depending on if it were a close noise or a far noise, it would be grab the bedside pistol or the SG. Then, while alertly listening, the next step was the glasses, followed by the ear muffs. Then retrieve the flashlight and lay it on the bed (all my stuff was on the right side, where I sleep). If there is still no telltale followup noise (with the electric ears, my hearing is magnified! Like having super powers ), then I slip into the pants while holding the SG by the pistol grip with the stock tucked under my arm - since they have four-point suspenders, alternating the SG to slip the right arm in wasn't going to be a problem.

The idea was to go to full load out while keeping a sharp ear and eye out for any noise. I practiced it a number of times and got it down pat. Given no interrupting input, within 30 sec., I could be armed and ready, decently clothed for the event. The only noise was the slight creak caused by leaving the bed.

One night, about 3 am, I was awakened by a muffled BANG!, from the downstairs area. Within a few seconds, I was standing armed with the SG. I strained to hear, didn't pick up any noises and saw no shadows cast by the ambient light. I fumbled around on the table behind my back for my glasses, finally getting them on, sticking one stem in the corner of my eye. That caused me to hit the flashlight with my left heel and start it rocking but Iwas quick and got it before it hit the floor! After I laid it on the bed, I reached across the SG to get the earmuffs on, which caused my glasses to shift. After I readjusted my glasses and got the earmuffs fired up, I paused again to listen. Nothing but louder nothing, i.e. a light hissing background.

It was time for stage two, slipping on the pants. I shifted the SG to a left armpit, weakhand grip DAMN! I swept the TV After I got my right leg in and right shoulder harnessed, all the while traversing the SG across a 160° arc, I shifted back to strong hand and got the rest of me in and buttoned/sippered up. Then came the shoulder rig, similar to the last exercise but better executed. Always listening, always listening for a creak on the stairs, a rushed breath, another badguy generated noise. I then realised that I couldn't go barefoot, so I felt around for my slip-ons I knew I had left somewhere there. I was ready.

Wait a minute, can't leave the bedside gun there, so it went into my back pocket. Then the cell phone clipped to my front pocket. I was ready. I slowly crept forward, nearing the head of the stairs, paused to listen. Nothing. I slowly cut the pie with the SG. Nothing. Counting the 4 or 5 minutes it had taken to get set, 7 minutes had passed. Nothing. I was safe in my primary firing position, with the kill box well covered and illuminated by ambient light. No back lighting to give myself away. I had to pee. Damn. I gritted my teeth, committed mind over matter and began to slowly clear the house. After 30 minutes, with a clear and illuminated house, I finally had a chance to relieve myself. During those 5 minutes, I relfected on my performance. I went back to bed with everything still on. I wasn't going to miss that 30 second mark again.

A few days later, while packing groceries away, I noticed some icky stuff in the back of a kitchen cabinet. A large can of tomato sauce had exploded, spraying the inside of the cabinet. I had been victimized by a can of Progresso.

It all started with adding the ear muffs to the equipment. The list just grew. I think the guy with the idea about the silencer got it right.
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Old June 3, 2004, 04:50 PM   #33
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you should keep a 12 guage by the bed.

like I tell my wife, it doesn't matter how much kick or how much noise, you only have to shoot it once.
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Old June 14, 2004, 06:38 PM   #34
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Loud noises like gunshots which pass the pain threshold will cause hearing damage from individual exposures.

It doesn't have to cause pain to cause hearing loss, and it's cumulative. Wear protection whenever you can.


Tamara, I'm wondering if your experience could be the result of you already having lost some hearing. Have you gotten a hearing exam lately?
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Old June 15, 2004, 12:53 AM   #35
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Tamara, I'm wondering if your experience could be the result of you already having lost some hearing. Have you gotten a hearing exam lately?
Yup, the job I had immediately prior to the ND required one annually. My hearing was well above the norm last it was tested.

I want to keep it that way too, which is why I religiously wear ears for anything louder than a Colibri out of a rifle.
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Old June 15, 2004, 06:18 AM   #36
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Well, then, you's just wierd!


Glad your hearing is okay, and amen to your last statement!
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Old June 15, 2004, 02:45 PM   #37
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Deja Vu...

I'd recently opened a thread on THR for this very subject. I hadn't thought of searching TFL.

For Whatever The Value: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...threadid=86241

E-Ears is what I want - maybe I can beg for Father's Day, but surely for Christmas.

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Old June 15, 2004, 05:00 PM   #38
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I agree with your conclusion

I've often wondered if say, a 45, would be less injurious to the ears than say, a 9mm, due to its far lower operating pressure (17k vs. 35ish k). Dunno about that, but..

In any event, due to the cylinder gap, a semi is preferably for PD, particularly home defense, IMO, as to the sound issue, because you won't be wearing ears in a PD situation. My bedside gun is thus a 1911 in .45. Why risk your hearing to some rumors of some possible auditory exclusion phenomena (sp?) that may or may not actually happen? Why take a risk, when another handgun would serve the same purpose and be less likely to INJURE YOU in the unlikely event you face a PD situation. I'd take the "better safe than sorry" approach. True enough that you if a PD scenario happens, you won't care about your hearing RIGHT THEN. But you will not be appreciating the loss of hearing the next day, and the next day, and the next, and the next....for the rest of your LIFE.
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Old June 18, 2004, 04:34 PM   #39
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As someone else pointed out this is yet one more very good reason why silencers ought to be more easily obtainable. We should all write our congress critters to support modification of the NFA to make it easier for us to get them.
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Old June 18, 2004, 05:21 PM   #40
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My bedside gun is thus a 1911 in .45. Why risk your hearing to some rumors of some possible auditory exclusion phenomena (sp?) that may or may not actually happen?
Auditory exclusion is not a rumor - it's a well documented fact. BUT it's a psychological phenomenon. You may not be AWARE of the gunfire.

But the soundwaves are still pounding your hearing apparatus and damaging it.

So you're right - better safe than sorry.
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Old June 21, 2004, 10:18 PM   #41
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Nearly all guns are loud indoors. Believe me you want notice the bang if SHTF in your home. Id rather be deaf than dead.
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Old July 1, 2004, 04:42 PM   #42
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I once had to fire a Bushmaster M4 knock-off in a closed room (long story). OH MY $##$#*$*#(#*#($%&#*)@! That was really, really painfull!
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Old July 1, 2004, 06:25 PM   #43
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If my life were in deadly danger and I had to fire my weapon inside I would do it without hesitation. Once won't destroy your hearing - how many times does it happen? Once in a lifetime? Nevertheless, I keep a pair of electronic muffs by my bedside. Common sense.

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