which importer ?

Gavlan · September 16, 2016, 01:24 PM

Hi folks , soon ( I hope ) I will be able to get a new revolver and I'm looking at a 2nd mod dragoon , or 1st , or 3rd heck I haven't made my mind up yet but anyway I looked at Taylors offerings and I also have been looking at some Cimmeron Uberti's that Buffalo arms has.
My big concern is the after sales service at these two companies, which one has the best rep as far as warranty and customer service ?.
I would be extremely annoyed and homicidal if I spent my hard earned coin on a gun that is " not up to par " only to be told " we can't help you, call Uberti" ect, ect,.
Thank you ladies and gents ..

jackmoser65 · September 16, 2016, 03:56 PM

Cimarron and Taylor's both have good customer service.

salvadore · September 16, 2016, 10:03 PM

Cimarron has good customer service?

Fingers McGee · September 16, 2016, 10:52 PM

Buffalo Arms are good to deal with. Even so, I've been more than happy with my LGS. I've never paid retail through him.

Gavlan · September 17, 2016, 06:48 AM

Ok thanks fella's ,
The price difference , for the same uberti dragoon ( any mod) between Buffalo Arms ( Cimarron ) and taylors is about $ 50 in favor of Buffalo arms .
something about saving enough money to buy 500 caps make me all fuzzy inside,,,,,

jackmoser65 · September 18, 2016, 11:32 AM

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Cimarron has good customer service?

When I used it they did.

drobs · September 18, 2016, 09:46 PM

Do the Uberti Dragoons also suffer from the short arbor issue that plagues the rest of the Uberti open top Colt line?

Model12Win · September 19, 2016, 12:22 AM

Cimarron will be made to better fit and finish.

45 Dragoon · September 19, 2016, 05:07 AM

All Uberti's arbors are short, as well as 2nd, 3rd gen Colts, ASM's, ASP's . . . . pretty much all open tops except newer Piettas (which puts older Piettas in the short arbor boat!).
It's best to get them "corrected" before shooting . . . . . especially with heavy loads.

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

noelf2 · September 19, 2016, 08:03 AM

I'm still skeptical about the arbors on newer Piettas. Are they really taking the time and attention to that detail?

drobs · September 19, 2016, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 45 Dragoon

All Uberti's arbors are short, as well as 2nd, 3rd gen Colts, ASM's, ASP's . . . . pretty much all open tops except newer Piettas (which puts older Piettas in the short arbor boat!).
It's best to get them "corrected" before shooting . . . . . especially with heavy loads.

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

What date is considered a newer Pietta?
Larsen E. Pettifoger articles are dated 2008.

Pietta 2008
http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/in...3&topic=5659.0

Uberti 2008 - today - short arbors:
http://www.theopenrange.net/articles...ers_Part_1.pdf

In my limited experience - Pietta makes a better gun. Much easier to fit a bolt than it is to add length to an arbor.

45 Dragoon · September 19, 2016, 04:40 PM

Welp, I don't really know, but since I fit them closer than factory anyway, it's not a factor for me. Bottom line is, if you can tap the wedge in and lock up the cylinder, the arbor is too short. If (as in the newer Piettas) you can't and the clearance is greater than. 0025", then you close it down.
An easy check is to drop a washer down the arbor hole and assemble the gun. If you can, the arbor isn't bottoming out in the hole.

Not sure what you mean by "easier to fit a bolt than to add length to an arbor ". The two are not related. And, I don't add length to the arbor, I fill in the arbor hole to meet the arbor.

The Pettifogger articles are a great explanation of what the problem is, I just like my way better than the one described.

I think the Uberti products are a better quality of material as well as the action parts are parts Sam Colt himself would be amazed at. They are much better than the '70s style parts that Pietta uses not to mention, Uberti has the lines of the originals down since they were the source for most of the 2nd and so called 3rd gen Colts.

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

Kilibreaux · September 20, 2016, 04:57 AM

Well there are basically three companies that build BP replica firearms, and Taylors isn't one of them.

Uberti, Pietta, and the Spanish version "Jukor." Everything else is an aftermarket add-on label.

I might be wrong, BUT I remember years ago ordering a genuine COLT 1849 Pocket that is built and timed EXACTLY with the same slight cylinder offset as my various Uberti revolvers! Yes the COLT finish was superb, but I think the base gun was produced by Uberti under license and Colt simply did the final finish...if that.

Having said that, Pietta and Uberti ARE different entities producing distinctly different products and this can be readily discerned by inspection and comparison. I tend to view Uberti as being closest to the original Colt pattern, with Pietta coming in second. These are Italian makers, but Spain is also making BP period guns that are imported under domestic names. The old "Dakota Arms" was of Spanish build and quite well done.

Right now is the "Golden Age" of black powder replicas because of huge demand commanding prices that make it profitable to build quality pieces.

Gavlan · September 20, 2016, 06:45 PM

Kilibreaux , Neither Cimarron or Taylors are makers as you mention but I was just curious as to which Importer had the best customer service (they both sell Uberti Dragoons) just in case I get a lemon, not likely but knowing my luck it could happen,,,lol,,,,

Stormson · September 20, 2016, 08:29 PM

I got an 1860 Pietta Snub Nose (3" barrel) through Taylor's and have not been disappointed at all.

I was told that each and every gun that passes through them goes to their gunsmith and is checked out first. I had to wait a little for that particular model simply because its a limited run item. After they finally got the shipment in from Italy, they still hadnt shipped a week later... A quick call confirmed that, yup, sure enough it was waiting its turn to be inspected and passed or fixed before it would be allowed to ship.

Havent had a single problem out of it yet, but if I do I have no doubt that they will make it right.

Driftwood Johnson · September 20, 2016, 11:32 PM

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Cimarron will be made to better fit and finish.

Howdy

That is a myth. I remember when I first started shooting CAS everybody was claiming that Cimarron had different specs and the guns they imported were of better quality. Not true. They all come off the same assembly line, there is nothing, other than some different markings, that sets Cimarron's guns apart from anyone else's.

As a matter of fact, I used to have a Cimarron Cattleman that had the worst trigger pull of any single action revolver I ever owned, and to top it off, the barrel was not screwed in properly and the front sight leaned decidedly to one side.

They are all the same. Go with the importer who has the best price and the best service policy. For what it's worth, I have experienced the best service from Taylors.

H.W. French · September 21, 2016, 11:39 AM

Gavlan, The fit/finish of the importers, Cimarron and Taylor's, are pretty much equal in my experience. I have encountered excellent and so-so examples of each. I shoot Cimarrons mainly because I prefer the style and placement of their stampings over the others. I have found Cimarron's CS to be of little use should there be an issue. I, however, am fortunate enough to have an excellent Cimarron dealer rep for this region who will go to great lengths to help a shooter out.
Like you I am also thinking about a Dragoon, specifically a 3rd model. We will be headed to VA for the holidays and I am planning to swing by Winchester to check out Taylor's inventory. I have heard good things about their CS but have not experienced it for myself.
The guys at Buffalo Arms are top notch in my book. I have ordered several Cimmy cap and balls from them. They were all excellent examples.
Either way, they are all Italian repro's and will likely need a little TLC on the inside to make them hum. It's part of the "fun"

.

September 16, 2016, 01:24 PM	#1
Gavlan Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2015 Posts: 108	which importer ? Hi folks , soon ( I hope ) I will be able to get a new revolver and I'm looking at a 2nd mod dragoon , or 1st , or 3rd heck I haven't made my mind up yet but anyway I looked at Taylors offerings and I also have been looking at some Cimmeron Uberti's that Buffalo arms has. My big concern is the after sales service at these two companies, which one has the best rep as far as warranty and customer service ?. I would be extremely annoyed and homicidal if I spent my hard earned coin on a gun that is " not up to par " only to be told " we can't help you, call Uberti" ect, ect,. Thank you ladies and gents ..

September 16, 2016, 10:52 PM	#4
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	Buffalo Arms are good to deal with. Even so, I've been more than happy with my LGS. I've never paid retail through him. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

September 18, 2016, 09:46 PM	#7
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Do the Uberti Dragoons also suffer from the short arbor issue that plagues the rest of the Uberti open top Colt line? __________________ NRA Life Member

September 19, 2016, 08:03 AM	#10
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	I'm still skeptical about the arbors on newer Piettas. Are they really taking the time and attention to that detail? __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

September 19, 2016, 04:40 PM	#12
45 Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2013 Posts: 656	Welp, I don't really know, but since I fit them closer than factory anyway, it's not a factor for me. Bottom line is, if you can tap the wedge in and lock up the cylinder, the arbor is too short. If (as in the newer Piettas) you can't and the clearance is greater than. 0025", then you close it down. An easy check is to drop a washer down the arbor hole and assemble the gun. If you can, the arbor isn't bottoming out in the hole. Not sure what you mean by "easier to fit a bolt than to add length to an arbor ". The two are not related. And, I don't add length to the arbor, I fill in the arbor hole to meet the arbor. The Pettifogger articles are a great explanation of what the problem is, I just like my way better than the one described. I think the Uberti products are a better quality of material as well as the action parts are parts Sam Colt himself would be amazed at. They are much better than the '70s style parts that Pietta uses not to mention, Uberti has the lines of the originals down since they were the source for most of the 2nd and so called 3rd gen Colts. Mike www.goonsgunworks.com Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks Last edited by 45 Dragoon; September 19, 2016 at 04:51 PM.

September 16, 2016, 03:56 PM	#2
jackmoser65 Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2014 Posts: 754	Cimarron and Taylor's both have good customer service.

September 16, 2016, 10:03 PM	#3
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	Cimarron has good customer service?

September 17, 2016, 06:48 AM	#5
Gavlan Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2015 Posts: 108	Ok thanks fella's , The price difference , for the same uberti dragoon ( any mod) between Buffalo Arms ( Cimarron ) and taylors is about $ 50 in favor of Buffalo arms . something about saving enough money to buy 500 caps make me all fuzzy inside,,,,,

September 19, 2016, 12:22 AM	#8
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Cimarron will be made to better fit and finish.

September 19, 2016, 05:07 AM	#9
45 Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2013 Posts: 656	All Uberti's arbors are short, as well as 2nd, 3rd gen Colts, ASM's, ASP's . . . . pretty much all open tops except newer Piettas (which puts older Piettas in the short arbor boat!). It's best to get them "corrected" before shooting . . . . . especially with heavy loads. Mike www.goonsgunworks.com Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

September 20, 2016, 04:57 AM	#13
Kilibreaux Member Join Date: October 4, 2012 Posts: 57	Well there are basically three companies that build BP replica firearms, and Taylors isn't one of them. Uberti, Pietta, and the Spanish version "Jukor." Everything else is an aftermarket add-on label. I might be wrong, BUT I remember years ago ordering a genuine COLT 1849 Pocket that is built and timed EXACTLY with the same slight cylinder offset as my various Uberti revolvers! Yes the COLT finish was superb, but I think the base gun was produced by Uberti under license and Colt simply did the final finish...if that. Having said that, Pietta and Uberti ARE different entities producing distinctly different products and this can be readily discerned by inspection and comparison. I tend to view Uberti as being closest to the original Colt pattern, with Pietta coming in second. These are Italian makers, but Spain is also making BP period guns that are imported under domestic names. The old "Dakota Arms" was of Spanish build and quite well done. Right now is the "Golden Age" of black powder replicas because of huge demand commanding prices that make it profitable to build quality pieces.

September 20, 2016, 06:45 PM	#14
Gavlan Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2015 Posts: 108	Kilibreaux , Neither Cimarron or Taylors are makers as you mention but I was just curious as to which Importer had the best customer service (they both sell Uberti Dragoons) just in case I get a lemon, not likely but knowing my luck it could happen,,,lol,,,,

September 20, 2016, 08:29 PM	#15
Stormson Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2014 Location: Mountains of SouthWest VA. Posts: 193	I got an 1860 Pietta Snub Nose (3" barrel) through Taylor's and have not been disappointed at all. I was told that each and every gun that passes through them goes to their gunsmith and is checked out first. I had to wait a little for that particular model simply because its a limited run item. After they finally got the shipment in from Italy, they still hadnt shipped a week later... A quick call confirmed that, yup, sure enough it was waiting its turn to be inspected and passed or fixed before it would be allowed to ship. Havent had a single problem out of it yet, but if I do I have no doubt that they will make it right.

September 21, 2016, 11:39 AM	#17
H.W. French Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2009 Location: Blue Ridge Plateau Posts: 151	Gavlan, The fit/finish of the importers, Cimarron and Taylor's, are pretty much equal in my experience. I have encountered excellent and so-so examples of each. I shoot Cimarrons mainly because I prefer the style and placement of their stampings over the others. I have found Cimarron's CS to be of little use should there be an issue. I, however, am fortunate enough to have an excellent Cimarron dealer rep for this region who will go to great lengths to help a shooter out. Like you I am also thinking about a Dragoon, specifically a 3rd model. We will be headed to VA for the holidays and I am planning to swing by Winchester to check out Taylor's inventory. I have heard good things about their CS but have not experienced it for myself. The guys at Buffalo Arms are top notch in my book. I have ordered several Cimmy cap and balls from them. They were all excellent examples. Either way, they are all Italian repro's and will likely need a little TLC on the inside to make them hum. It's part of the "fun" .