Oh No! My new Remington R1 is having problems... - Page 2

polyphemus · June 1, 2015, 05:40 PM

The M1911 was designed to have a controlled feed, which means that the round is under control right until it is in the chamber,the extractor has a critical role
in this cycle as does the magazine design.The extractor functions are to help control the round into the chamber and to extract the case after firing.
John Browning designed M1911 parts to have multiple functions the,extractor is
just one example of his genius.Incorrect extractor tension is often a cause of chambering issues.

polyphemus · June 1, 2015, 06:01 PM

The nub or raised dimple seems to have been designed to engage the case
cannelure,it actually makes the round jump over it as the rim hits it.In some
cases it hurts more than it helps.It points the last round several degrees higher
than the previous rounds as it is being stripped from the magazine and this is
cause of last round stoppages.

James K · June 1, 2015, 06:46 PM

Nevertheless, under some circumstances the slide will kick the top round so it jumps forward and fails to feed. GI magazines have feed lips that allow the round to rise up under the extractor, but they can cause problems with short rounds. New style magazines have longer, non tapered lips that release the round abruptly. These are intended to hold onto short rounds until the bullet is on its way into the chamber, but if the round is very short or releases too soon, a jam will still result.

Jim

expendable · June 1, 2015, 07:12 PM

Yes the 1911 does have controlled round feeding, but as you can see by his picture the slide is behind the second round down and would control the feeding of that round if the top round wouldn't have popped out of the magazine prematurely and gotten in the way.

Kurt

polyphemus · June 1, 2015, 09:56 PM

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popped out of the magazine

Rounds are not supposed to pop out of magazines and if they do then maybe just maybe it is because the magazine is not holding them.

mellow_c · June 2, 2015, 01:30 AM

So I finally cleaned the gun tonight... I took the slide apart and checked the plunger and extractor for damage, everything looks and feels right as rain. I did a really close visual inspection and thorough cleaning on the pistol. I also took a close look at the two factory magazines and everything looks good.

For the life of my I just cant imagine what would be happening beyond what expendable has said, which was actually my original thought of what might be the problem before I even started this thread. It's literally as if the round is popping out of the magazine before the slide comes forward to push it out of the magazine and then instead is catching the back of the next round in the magazine and jamming it against the one sitting on top. The magazine springs feel good and strong.

For example, my last failure was a loose live round sitting on top of an empty magazine with maybe just the tip of the bullet in the chamber if that, and the slide was being held open by the magazine as if the last shot had been fired.

polyphemus... I'm not sure what specifically you mean by this...

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Take a spent brass case and tie a loose thread around the extraction groove,on the other end the weight you want to hold (I use bullets in a little hardware bag).Now push the case into the extractor and carefully lift,no rocket science but it works well enough.

Could you elaborate a little? I understand the first part, but once you talk about having the case hooked by the extractor and then lifting, I'm not sure what you mean, what do I lift? What am I trying to achieve?

Thanks. It will be a good thing to know in the future I'm sure.

Just for the hell of it, I'm going to take a stab at what you mean to say... Are you saying I should have a loose thread, like something you would sew with, have it wrapped around the extraction groove, but have it tied like a loop and loose enough that it can lay over the extractor and slide rather than being caught up in there... Then having the "goal weight" of 1.75lbs tied to the other end, then with the side of the slide facing the floor, carefully and slowly lift the weight with the string secured to the case, and if it pulls out the case, the extractor may be too loose, or if it holds tight, the extractor may be too tight? So you keep adjusting the weight of the bag to see what weight it takes to pull the case free from the extractor with out any bouncing or interference from jerking or momentum? And if that is correct, then how would I adjust it if it didn't break free at the recommended 1.75 lbs. do you just bend it?

Good stuff though, thank you sir

Despite any problems I may be having or ever have had with any of my 1911's I'm finding that there are still another 2 or 3 I would like to have

polyphemus · June 2, 2015, 07:39 AM

You got the idea and if you find that it is either too tight or too loose then bend
it,it takes more effort than what those videos show but once you get the feel of
it you can get it right everytime.Believe it or not my R1 also acted up,they are
production pistols and they need a little tweakin' sometimes,I discarded the
magazines immediately after the first stoppage and then looked a bit deeper
it's fine now.

mellow_c · June 2, 2015, 10:45 PM

Thank you Sir

salvadore · June 3, 2015, 12:16 AM

Call Remington and have them send you a shorter front sight to bring your poi up.

mellow_c · July 7, 2015, 02:00 AM

I wanted to follow up with this thread for anyone who is interested.

I recently took both of my Remington R1's to the range again. This time I experienced the same malfunctions as before, with both pistols, and with 3 out of the 4 factory magazines. I also fired a Chip McCormick Shooting Star magazine from both of them and had no failures from that magazine.

Today I gave Remington a call and explained my experience. The guy I talked to said he's heard of the problem I'm experiencing before, and he agreed that it was likely the fault of the magazine. He said I could ship back the 4 magazines and once they received them he would send out 4 replacements.

I also told him about the R1s shooting about 4 inches low at 25 yards, I asked if they could send me a shorter sight... he said they had matching "short" sights in stock and he would send me one.

So.... I've slightly bobbed the hammers on both guns because I was getting some hammer bite, I only took off one grove from each hammer and it was enough to solve my problem, I smoothed them out and they look and feel good. I ordered and received 5 Chip McCormick Shooting Star magazines for EACH gun, 5 black and 5 stainless, and I have inserted each one and pulled back the slide to see that it would hold open, and drop free, so far so good. And I have a shorter front sight coming for the R1s which after I install it will hopefully bring my shots right to the point of aim.

I'm debating on if I should take the new replacement magazines and just sell them to my local pawn shop, or if I should try them out first. I think I might sell them with the idea that they are new and I don't know if they work or not where as the old ones I kind of knew had some problems.

I'm also still waiting on my 2 $75 rebates. I think once I test all my new Shooting Star magazines, install and test the new front sight, and all the smoke clears, I'm going to end up very happy with these two pistols, especially for the price!!!

Also still trying to decide if I should polish the flats of the slide of the R1s... and if It's worth it to add some longer solid triggers.

polyphemus · July 7, 2015, 07:35 AM

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Also still trying to decide if I should polish the flats of the slide of the R1s... and if It's worth it to add some longer solid triggers.

They are not broke,right?

Sequins · July 7, 2015, 09:43 AM

I hope that after 7 years he sorted it out.

Fun fact this thread is started prior to my period of firearms ownership.

polyphemus · July 7, 2015, 11:01 AM

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May 29, 2015, 09:30 PM

That's OP's date no way that was seven years ago and no one doubts that was
before your first firearm ownership date.

TunnelRat · July 7, 2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sequins

I hope that after 7 years he sorted it out.

Fun fact this thread is started prior to my period of firearms ownership.

The Remington R1 didn't exist 7 years ago, or so I believe.

mellow_c · July 7, 2015, 05:19 PM

Polyphemus, the triggers? No, they ain't broke

I just prefer the feel of a longer trigger on a 1911 vs the short ones that come from the factory on the R1.

Quentin2 · July 8, 2015, 04:39 PM

Mellow, watch your tracking #s for the rebates. I turned mine in around 5/28 and noticed last night it was approved and status now is ready to be mailed. Of course it could take another month for that! I bought an R1 Commander about a month after the full size R1 so that one's still pending.

I love Remington's short trigger/flat MSH combination. Unusual but fits me perfect. In fact I went to a flat MSH on my old 1976 Colt 1911A1 to get the R1 feel. I wish I'd known years ago how much I'd like it!

Maybe you should just try the long trigger on one to compare A/B first hand?

I love everything about the R1 Government Model and R1 Commander in Remington's hybrid 1911A1 configuration. The only change I've made is dark barrel bushings, don't like the SS look. I put calipers on the originals then ordered the same size. No others changes needed, I don't get hammer bite.

45Gunner · July 11, 2015, 01:30 PM

I have been a 1911 shooter and collector for well over 40 years. Some of the magazines manufacturers put in nice guns is just short of being criminal. With that being said, I put aside the factory magazine and replace it with my preference, Wilson Combat Mags. After shooting more than 500 rounds in a particular gun, it is a safe assumption that I "feel" the gun and I know what has to be accomplished to get it exactly the way I like it.

Usually a 1911 will have a feed problem when it is new for one of three reasons:
1. It doesn't like the ammo you are feeding it...change brands.
2. You are limp wristing it...work on your grip.
3. The mag is not worth the metal it is made from.

Another consideration for 1911's: some guns need to have periodic recoil spring changes while other 1911's just seem to go on and on. I like to change to different tension springs to see if it improves the cycling of the slide, and extraction of the casing. If it does not, I go back to the original tension spring. Always a good idea to keep an extra recoil spring in your range bag.

mellow_c · July 11, 2015, 06:45 PM

Quentin, I haven't paid any attention to my rebates. I just mailed them in and trust that I will get them sometime. It will be a nice surprise to have $150.00 in the form of two $75.00 checks someday. Any guess as to what I'll spend it on? Lol. I need to look into what it takes to install a trigger on a 1911. I've got a Dan Wesson with a long trigger so I know I prefer the feel. They aren't very expensive though so that's nice!

45Gunner. I think #3 takes the cake. When I get my replacement magazines I'll take them to my local pawn and gun shop and tell them I'd like to sell them or possibly trade them towards something.

My short front sight showed up today. I loosened the set screw, knocked out the old one (very easy) and slid in the new one (way too easy!) I used some blue lock tite in the dovetail and also on the set screw, I hope it holds because the sight just slid right in with my fingers.

June 1, 2015, 06:01 PM	#27
polyphemus Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2012 Posts: 1,055	The nub or raised dimple seems to have been designed to engage the case cannelure,it actually makes the round jump over it as the rim hits it.In some cases it hurts more than it helps.It points the last round several degrees higher than the previous rounds as it is being stripped from the magazine and this is cause of last round stoppages. Last edited by polyphemus; June 1, 2015 at 06:09 PM.

July 7, 2015, 02:00 AM	#35
mellow_c Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,862	I wanted to follow up with this thread for anyone who is interested. I recently took both of my Remington R1's to the range again. This time I experienced the same malfunctions as before, with both pistols, and with 3 out of the 4 factory magazines. I also fired a Chip McCormick Shooting Star magazine from both of them and had no failures from that magazine. Today I gave Remington a call and explained my experience. The guy I talked to said he's heard of the problem I'm experiencing before, and he agreed that it was likely the fault of the magazine. He said I could ship back the 4 magazines and once they received them he would send out 4 replacements. I also told him about the R1s shooting about 4 inches low at 25 yards, I asked if they could send me a shorter sight... he said they had matching "short" sights in stock and he would send me one. So.... I've slightly bobbed the hammers on both guns because I was getting some hammer bite, I only took off one grove from each hammer and it was enough to solve my problem, I smoothed them out and they look and feel good. I ordered and received 5 Chip McCormick Shooting Star magazines for EACH gun, 5 black and 5 stainless, and I have inserted each one and pulled back the slide to see that it would hold open, and drop free, so far so good. And I have a shorter front sight coming for the R1s which after I install it will hopefully bring my shots right to the point of aim. I'm debating on if I should take the new replacement magazines and just sell them to my local pawn shop, or if I should try them out first. I think I might sell them with the idea that they are new and I don't know if they work or not where as the old ones I kind of knew had some problems. I'm also still waiting on my 2 $75 rebates. I think once I test all my new Shooting Star magazines, install and test the new front sight, and all the smoke clears, I'm going to end up very happy with these two pistols, especially for the price!!! Also still trying to decide if I should polish the flats of the slide of the R1s... and if It's worth it to add some longer solid triggers. Last edited by mellow_c; July 7, 2015 at 02:05 AM.

July 11, 2015, 01:30 PM	#42
45Gunner Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 1,902	I have been a 1911 shooter and collector for well over 40 years. Some of the magazines manufacturers put in nice guns is just short of being criminal. With that being said, I put aside the factory magazine and replace it with my preference, Wilson Combat Mags. After shooting more than 500 rounds in a particular gun, it is a safe assumption that I "feel" the gun and I know what has to be accomplished to get it exactly the way I like it. Usually a 1911 will have a feed problem when it is new for one of three reasons: 1. It doesn't like the ammo you are feeding it...change brands. 2. You are limp wristing it...work on your grip. 3. The mag is not worth the metal it is made from. Another consideration for 1911's: some guns need to have periodic recoil spring changes while other 1911's just seem to go on and on. I like to change to different tension springs to see if it improves the cycling of the slide, and extraction of the casing. If it does not, I go back to the original tension spring. Always a good idea to keep an extra recoil spring in your range bag. __________________ 45Gunner May the Schwartz Be With You. NRA Instructor NRA Life Member

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June 1, 2015, 05:40 PM	#26
polyphemus Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2012 Posts: 1,055	The M1911 was designed to have a controlled feed, which means that the round is under control right until it is in the chamber,the extractor has a critical role in this cycle as does the magazine design.The extractor functions are to help control the round into the chamber and to extract the case after firing. John Browning designed M1911 parts to have multiple functions the,extractor is just one example of his genius.Incorrect extractor tension is often a cause of chambering issues.

June 1, 2015, 06:46 PM	#28
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Nevertheless, under some circumstances the slide will kick the top round so it jumps forward and fails to feed. GI magazines have feed lips that allow the round to rise up under the extractor, but they can cause problems with short rounds. New style magazines have longer, non tapered lips that release the round abruptly. These are intended to hold onto short rounds until the bullet is on its way into the chamber, but if the round is very short or releases too soon, a jam will still result. Jim

June 1, 2015, 07:12 PM	#29
expendable Member Join Date: September 18, 2009 Posts: 44	Yes the 1911 does have controlled round feeding, but as you can see by his picture the slide is behind the second round down and would control the feeding of that round if the top round wouldn't have popped out of the magazine prematurely and gotten in the way. Kurt

June 2, 2015, 07:39 AM	#32
polyphemus Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2012 Posts: 1,055	You got the idea and if you find that it is either too tight or too loose then bend it,it takes more effort than what those videos show but once you get the feel of it you can get it right everytime.Believe it or not my R1 also acted up,they are production pistols and they need a little tweakin' sometimes,I discarded the magazines immediately after the first stoppage and then looked a bit deeper it's fine now.

June 2, 2015, 10:45 PM	#33
mellow_c Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,862	Thank you Sir

June 3, 2015, 12:16 AM	#34
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	Call Remington and have them send you a shorter front sight to bring your poi up.

July 7, 2015, 09:43 AM	#37
Sequins Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2014 Posts: 394	I hope that after 7 years he sorted it out. Fun fact this thread is started prior to my period of firearms ownership.

July 7, 2015, 05:19 PM	#40
mellow_c Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,862	Polyphemus, the triggers? No, they ain't broke I just prefer the feel of a longer trigger on a 1911 vs the short ones that come from the factory on the R1.

July 8, 2015, 04:39 PM	#41
Quentin2 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2009 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 1,996	Mellow, watch your tracking #s for the rebates. I turned mine in around 5/28 and noticed last night it was approved and status now is ready to be mailed. Of course it could take another month for that! I bought an R1 Commander about a month after the full size R1 so that one's still pending. I love Remington's short trigger/flat MSH combination. Unusual but fits me perfect. In fact I went to a flat MSH on my old 1976 Colt 1911A1 to get the R1 feel. I wish I'd known years ago how much I'd like it! Maybe you should just try the long trigger on one to compare A/B first hand? I love everything about the R1 Government Model and R1 Commander in Remington's hybrid 1911A1 configuration. The only change I've made is dark barrel bushings, don't like the SS look. I put calipers on the originals then ordered the same size. No others changes needed, I don't get hammer bite.

July 11, 2015, 06:45 PM	#43
mellow_c Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,862	Quentin, I haven't paid any attention to my rebates. I just mailed them in and trust that I will get them sometime. It will be a nice surprise to have $150.00 in the form of two $75.00 checks someday. Any guess as to what I'll spend it on? Lol. I need to look into what it takes to install a trigger on a 1911. I've got a Dan Wesson with a long trigger so I know I prefer the feel. They aren't very expensive though so that's nice! 45Gunner. I think #3 takes the cake. When I get my replacement magazines I'll take them to my local pawn and gun shop and tell them I'd like to sell them or possibly trade them towards something. My short front sight showed up today. I loosened the set screw, knocked out the old one (very easy) and slid in the new one (way too easy!) I used some blue lock tite in the dovetail and also on the set screw, I hope it holds because the sight just slid right in with my fingers.