DA or SA - Page 2

psyfly · June 27, 2014, 08:43 AM

I find that I choose my EDC according to:

1.) Reliability; will it go bang every time?
2.) Accuracy; will it hit what I aim for (regardless of what someone else can do with it)?
3.) Fit and utility; does it feel good in my hand, can I conceal it with reasonable comfort and deploy it with reasonable speed?
4.) Does the trigger work reliably (repeatably break at the same point, e.g.)

Type of trigger (SA, DA, SA/DA), ignition (Striker, hammer), mechanism (semi-auto, revolver) and other considerations kinda fade into the background.

On any given day, I might be carrying any one of the above.

I didn't vote.

Will

**44 AMP** · June 27, 2014, 10:05 AM

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..SA/DA/SAO distinction to be about the trigger only, and what actions it performs.

Put me in that camp, although I don't think we're in the same tent...

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Does it only drop the hammer (or striker)? Single action. Does it cock the gun as well, bringing the hammer (or striker) up from a full rest position before releasing the sear? Double Action. Does it have to bring the hammer (or striker) up from rest, each and every time? DAO.

This is a pretty good standard, but I disagree with a small part of it. The part about "from full rest position". I don't think that matters. Of course, others disagree...

If the trigger cocks and fires the gun, it performs 2 actions. Hence Double Action. I don't see where it matters if the hammer or striker is "at rest" or "partially cocked". If you remove " bringing the hammer (or striker) up from a full rest position", from your definition, it is still accurate, and covers a wider range of designs.

GLock, apparently believes that "from full rest to full cock" is necessary to call it a double action. They make a big point of how their gun is different from that, and call their system a "safe action". I suppose its a better marketing term for them than calling it a partially preloaded double action system, but that's what it is.

I see it as a double action if the trigger does two things, cocks the gun, and fires the gun. I think calling it one name if the trigger completely cocks, then fires the gun, and another if the trigger only finishes cocking the gun, then fires it is splitting hairs.

What about SIGs? with their "standard" DA/SA system, when you decock the gun, the hammer is NOT at full rest position. Does this mean its NOT a "real" DA trigger pull? I think it is.

It matters little how you, or I define things, it seems, somewhere down the road, someone else will redefine it, and consider us both "wrong".

Guv · June 27, 2014, 12:46 PM

Alot of shooters prefer to thumb the hammer back on a DA.

Jim243 · June 27, 2014, 01:19 PM

I use to be in the SA camp, Browning High Power, 1911 style, but in recent years have wandered over to the decocker only camp and have no issues with the DA/SA pistols. Actually I prefer them now, it still needs to have a hammer but the first double action trigger pull in not a problem and the transition to SA is smooth as silk and gives an excellent rapid follow up shot as well.

Jim

lee n. field · June 27, 2014, 02:38 PM

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It matters little how you, or I define things, it seems, somewhere down the road, someone else will redefine it, and consider us both "wrong".

At least someone read my post, instead of being an illustration of what I was talking about.

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If the trigger cocks and fires the gun, it performs 2 actions. Hence Double Action. I don't see where it matters if the hammer or striker is "at rest" or "partially cocked".

In retrospect my divisions were a bit sloppy.

I was trying to make a distinction between what Glock does, with guns with a restrike capability. I had in mind my old, unlamented, CZ-100.

Derbel McDillet · June 27, 2014, 04:50 PM

I applaud Blacktimberwolf, the OP, for using the correct terminology "Double-Action (DA)" as opposed to the illiterate "Double-Action/Single-Action (DA/SA)".

DA/SA is NOT a trigger mechanism. It is a MODE of operation.

[email protected] · June 27, 2014, 07:31 PM

I'm with psyfly on this topic

Art Eatman · June 27, 2014, 07:51 PM

After sixty-five years with a 1911, my hand's kinda married up with it.

jason_iowa · June 27, 2014, 08:19 PM

I detest manual safeties so double action is the only way to go for me. I carry revolvers. I always have a 625 on me and often carry a 629 or 627 as a back up depending on what I'm doing.

A combat handgun in my opinion is going to be double action or DAO with no manual safety.

Marty8613 · June 27, 2014, 08:29 PM

DA/SA on all the guns I own. But.... I have no issue with my wife's DAO. I will buy a DAO and a revolver in DA and in SA and a DAO. You have to practice with what you carry. In TX it is CC only right now, so I carry DA/SA, but DAO isn't off the list. A gun is a gun. Get comfortable with anything you carry. It really isn't that complicated. Work in your budget, get what you want.

Personally, I want all styles.... Even a Glock <argh>

SauerGrapes · June 29, 2014, 03:57 PM

DA\SA for about 5 years now.

4thPoint · June 29, 2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin2

SA for me. That includes Glock's "Safe Action" which is classified as DA by law enforcement/BATF but functions more like Single Action since the trigger cannot fully cock the hammer/striker.

Ditto. I want the second trigger to be the same as the first and the last to be the same as all the preceding ones.

pgdion · June 29, 2014, 11:57 PM

DA/SA for me ... Beretta 92, Cougar, sw5906, Ruger KP345 , .... seeing a pattern here?

dannyb · July 1, 2014, 08:13 AM

I voted DAO. For pocket carry (which is what I use most of the time), I like the NAA Guardian and Seecamp .32 ACPs if I'm wearing clothes with smaller front pockets, and Colt Pony Pocketlite if I'm wearing jeans.

I used to carry Rohrbaugh with jeans, but the magazine release on the bottom is awkward and they're a major pain to field strip compared with the Colt.

Should be obvious that I prefer hammer fired to striker fired.

Jay24bal · July 1, 2014, 12:11 PM

I am a DAO kind of guy when it comes to my two carry guns.

I just prefer the idea of no safeties or anything needed done to the firearm besides a trigger pull if that moment should ever come that it needs to be fired in distress. I like to think I have trained enough and would be able to thumb the safety or cock the hammer if that were my gun, but the body responds in mysterious ways under stress, so I chose to keep it as simple as possible.

campbed · July 1, 2014, 12:38 PM

DA/SA.

Looks like you missed a popular system in your survey.

WESHOOT2 · July 1, 2014, 03:53 PM

I prefer a DA/SA, with all my semis (exception: my PT22) giving me cocked-n-locked capability.
I prefer my revolvers offer me both, too.

s3779m · July 1, 2014, 04:06 PM

Da/sa prefer my cz75b or sig 226

MR.G · July 3, 2014, 09:44 PM

DA/SA

45Gunner · July 6, 2014, 10:45 AM

Been carrying a 1911 for my EDC since the late 60's. Always condition one. Even when I practice at a range where drawing from the holster is verboten, I have it cocked and locked so I train with disengaging the safety.

SA is my choice.

wpsdlrg · July 27, 2014, 07:45 AM

In theory, my preference is DA or DAO. That because I very much like the concept of a gun NOT being cocked (or even partially cocked) until that is done deliberately. So, one of my favorites is the Sig P250, one of which I do have. These can be a bit difficult to master, however.

In practice, though, I have always really liked the DA/SA'S (the SA mode is nice for precision shooting....and I liked having a decocker, for the reason stated above). But, as I seem to shoot the "Glock style" trigger the best....and I do prefer, at the end of the day, the "constant action" type of trigger, on any platform.....I must put myself into the DA camp.

I have just transitioned to Glocks and no longer have any DA/SA's, as it happens (because I shoot them better).

So, call me DA / DAO....depending on how one chooses to define the Glock trigger.

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June 27, 2014, 08:43 AM	#26
psyfly Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 932	I find that I choose my EDC according to: 1.) Reliability; will it go bang every time? 2.) Accuracy; will it hit what I aim for (regardless of what someone else can do with it)? 3.) Fit and utility; does it feel good in my hand, can I conceal it with reasonable comfort and deploy it with reasonable speed? 4.) Does the trigger work reliably (repeatably break at the same point, e.g.) Type of trigger (SA, DA, SA/DA), ignition (Striker, hammer), mechanism (semi-auto, revolver) and other considerations kinda fade into the background. On any given day, I might be carrying any one of the above. I didn't vote. Will __________________ Show me the data

June 27, 2014, 01:19 PM	#29
Jim243 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Location: Just off Route 66 Posts: 5,067	I use to be in the SA camp, Browning High Power, 1911 style, but in recent years have wandered over to the decocker only camp and have no issues with the DA/SA pistols. Actually I prefer them now, it still needs to have a hammer but the first double action trigger pull in not a problem and the transition to SA is smooth as silk and gives an excellent rapid follow up shot as well. Jim __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum

June 27, 2014, 07:31 PM	#32
[email protected] Member Join Date: May 30, 2007 Posts: 32	I'm with psyfly on this topic __________________ Brett Byers

June 29, 2014, 03:57 PM	#36
SauerGrapes Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2009 Location: S.E.PA. Posts: 920	DA\SA for about 5 years now. __________________ NRA member, DCF&S member, PAFOA member, USPSA member, NSCA member R.I.P.____Murphy

June 27, 2014, 12:46 PM	#28
Guv Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2012 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,126	Alot of shooters prefer to thumb the hammer back on a DA.

June 27, 2014, 04:50 PM	#31
Derbel McDillet Junior member Join Date: September 6, 2013 Location: Kitsap County, Washington Posts: 316	I applaud Blacktimberwolf, the OP, for using the correct terminology "Double-Action (DA)" as opposed to the illiterate "Double-Action/Single-Action (DA/SA)". DA/SA is NOT a trigger mechanism. It is a MODE of operation.

June 27, 2014, 07:51 PM	#33
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	After sixty-five years with a 1911, my hand's kinda married up with it.

June 27, 2014, 08:19 PM	#34
jason_iowa Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2011 Posts: 686	I detest manual safeties so double action is the only way to go for me. I carry revolvers. I always have a 625 on me and often carry a 629 or 627 as a back up depending on what I'm doing. A combat handgun in my opinion is going to be double action or DAO with no manual safety.

June 27, 2014, 08:29 PM	#35
Marty8613 Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2014 Location: Grapevine TX Posts: 378	DA/SA on all the guns I own. But.... I have no issue with my wife's DAO. I will buy a DAO and a revolver in DA and in SA and a DAO. You have to practice with what you carry. In TX it is CC only right now, so I carry DA/SA, but DAO isn't off the list. A gun is a gun. Get comfortable with anything you carry. It really isn't that complicated. Work in your budget, get what you want. Personally, I want all styles.... Even a Glock <argh>

June 29, 2014, 11:57 PM	#38
pgdion Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2010 Location: MPLS, MN Posts: 1,214	DA/SA for me ... Beretta 92, Cougar, sw5906, Ruger KP345 , .... seeing a pattern here? __________________ 597 VTR, because there's so many cans and so little time!

July 1, 2014, 08:13 AM	#39
dannyb Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: SE PA Posts: 336	I voted DAO. For pocket carry (which is what I use most of the time), I like the NAA Guardian and Seecamp .32 ACPs if I'm wearing clothes with smaller front pockets, and Colt Pony Pocketlite if I'm wearing jeans. I used to carry Rohrbaugh with jeans, but the magazine release on the bottom is awkward and they're a major pain to field strip compared with the Colt. Should be obvious that I prefer hammer fired to striker fired. __________________ Moron Lave (send a Congressman through the car wash)

July 1, 2014, 12:11 PM	#40
Jay24bal Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 735	I am a DAO kind of guy when it comes to my two carry guns. I just prefer the idea of no safeties or anything needed done to the firearm besides a trigger pull if that moment should ever come that it needs to be fired in distress. I like to think I have trained enough and would be able to thumb the safety or cock the hammer if that were my gun, but the body responds in mysterious ways under stress, so I chose to keep it as simple as possible. __________________ I like guns. Once Fired Brass, Top quality, Fast shipping, Best prices. http://300AacBrass.com/ -10% Coupon use code " Jay24bal "

July 1, 2014, 12:38 PM	#41
campbed Member Join Date: March 8, 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 75	DA/SA. Looks like you missed a popular system in your survey. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis SIG P226 MK25 9mm \| SIG 239 9mm \| Beretta Nano SIG M400 Enhanced Black \| Ruger PC9 \| Winchester 9422

July 1, 2014, 03:53 PM	#42
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	I prefer a DA/SA, with all my semis (exception: my PT22) giving me cocked-n-locked capability. I prefer my revolvers offer me both, too. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

July 1, 2014, 04:06 PM	#43
s3779m Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2012 Location: Lometa, Texas Posts: 341	Da/sa prefer my cz75b or sig 226

July 3, 2014, 09:44 PM	#44
MR.G Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2001 Posts: 641	DA/SA

July 6, 2014, 10:45 AM	#45
45Gunner Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 1,902	Been carrying a 1911 for my EDC since the late 60's. Always condition one. Even when I practice at a range where drawing from the holster is verboten, I have it cocked and locked so I train with disengaging the safety. SA is my choice. __________________ 45Gunner May the Schwartz Be With You. NRA Instructor NRA Life Member

July 27, 2014, 07:45 AM	#46
wpsdlrg Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2009 Posts: 826	In theory, my preference is DA or DAO. That because I very much like the concept of a gun NOT being cocked (or even partially cocked) until that is done deliberately. So, one of my favorites is the Sig P250, one of which I do have. These can be a bit difficult to master, however. In practice, though, I have always really liked the DA/SA'S (the SA mode is nice for precision shooting....and I liked having a decocker, for the reason stated above). But, as I seem to shoot the "Glock style" trigger the best....and I do prefer, at the end of the day, the "constant action" type of trigger, on any platform.....I must put myself into the DA camp. I have just transitioned to Glocks and no longer have any DA/SA's, as it happens (because I shoot them better). So, call me DA / DAO....depending on how one chooses to define the Glock trigger.