Fn P90

Freeman25 · October 18, 2005, 05:33 AM

I have a question to those, who have used a P90 smg.
Due to the short barrel, does it have a large recoil? and is there a large muzzle flash?
thanks in advance,
Max

CQBArms · October 18, 2005, 07:16 AM

No and no

too many choices!? · October 18, 2005, 11:55 AM

The evil cop killing armor chomping 5.7 round was developed around the idea of a pointed smg bullet, with low recoil, high capacity, armor piercing ability, and to be fired from pistol length or smg length barrels. So why would it have recoil or flash, being designed as a pistol and smg round replacement? Does 9mm have a lot of recoil and muzzle flash out of pistol, smg, and carbine platforms

?

PS- Never shot the little bugger, but felt qualified to chime in having seen the,"Monsterous" 5.7 round and pistol. The 5.7's capacity and velocity rule(especially if it fragments like 5.56

)

Stiletto · October 18, 2005, 12:30 PM

Well, it's not THAT effective. You get a pretty messy wound track (beats any other FMJ pistol track, anyway, and it's up near decent 9mm JHP), but it's not an M193.

Out of a P90. I dunno what it's like out of a Five-seveN.

The British Soldier · October 18, 2005, 02:21 PM

P90 is very comfortable to fire and especially if you chose to 'live a little' and fire sustained bursts from it; I found the design conducive to keeping on target. Ripple off ten rounds at a go and it remains on the target.

The only thing I personally disliked about it was the size of the cocking handles, which are great if your fingers are size 2s where mine are size 9s!

CobrayCommando · October 18, 2005, 02:57 PM

Can someone post photos of bullets from either 5.7 platform shot into gelatin? I would be interested to see if this tumbling effect would happen reliably through clothing and at 25 yards as well, and still manage to have good penetration.

DmL5 · October 18, 2005, 05:53 PM

Taken from a post of mine at The Five-seveN Forum..

Quote:

Well, here are all of the pictures I could find of the SS190 in gelatin, no pics of the SS192 or any of the other ammo types. All pics are of the round fired out of the P-90, not Five-seveN. Enjoy!

- This one (fired into 20% ballistic gelatin) shows about 25 centimeters penetration, or 9.8 inches. Note the enlarged temporary cavity as the projectile goes into yaw/tumble and ends up rear forward in the gelatin. Also notice how the yawing causes the bullet to track upwards a bit from the wound path. This picture is promotional from FN.

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- This one (fired into 10% ballistic gelatin from 20 meters) shows about 35 centimeters penetration, or about 13.5 inches. Once again, the round tumbles and ends up rear forward. This picture is also promotional from FN.

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- This one is also in 10% gelatin. If you look closely, it looks to be about 10.5 inches penetration with a lot of yaw. The enlarged temporary cavity stays enlarged from about the 3-inch mark to the 9-inch mark. The bullet ends rear forward in this one too. This picture came from a Houston, TX PD article on the P-90, see HERE.

-DmL

Eightball · October 18, 2005, 07:04 PM

That's the first time I've seen bullet gels on that round. Looks like it would be a natural choice for military usage. Looks like, at least.

too many choices!? · October 18, 2005, 08:56 PM

OUCH!!!!!!!

I want one(of each)

!!

Ac1d0v3r1d3 · October 18, 2005, 09:15 PM

wouldnt this round be a nightmare in a self defense situation? if not, then i want a 5.7 too

DmL5 · October 18, 2005, 10:02 PM

No, it always penetrates under 14 inches in gelatin because of the yaw, and it always yaws.

-DmL

CQBArms · October 19, 2005, 08:49 AM

No. It shed energy very fast in common building materials and yaws like crazy.

Freeman25 · October 19, 2005, 11:47 AM

so, let me sum up what you've written (and what I thank you for):
-The P90 has low recoil and muzzle flash
-it's ammunition, the 5.7 mm SS 190, is very powerful and fast

Only one thing's left on my mind:
Is this great SMG used by the U.S. Military?

Max

DmL5 · October 19, 2005, 12:49 PM

The USMC acquired 12 P90s in 2003 (I believe) for evaluation as an M9 replacement.

-DmL

CobrayCommando · October 19, 2005, 01:51 PM

I'm impressed with the P90 at least! Certainly adequate penetration and the yawing effect seems to be reliable enough, but I wouldn't want to rely on that for wounding. I mean, in gelatin it happens all the time, in the human body what happens if it hits the sternum or a rib?

Nevertheless its an SMG, so you've got 49 extras behind that first bullet!

I want one!

Now as for the Five-seveN.... Ugh...

Eightball · October 23, 2005, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Only one thing's left on my mind:
Is this great SMG used by the U.S. Military?

Is any SMG used by our military? I've seen pics of our troops in Iraq with PPSh's to make up for the M16's lack of FA for house clearing

. Not that I'd mind picking up one of those things.....

October 18, 2005, 05:33 AM	#1
Freeman25 Member Join Date: January 21, 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 98	Fn P90 I have a question to those, who have used a P90 smg. Due to the short barrel, does it have a large recoil? and is there a large muzzle flash? thanks in advance, Max __________________ Everyone has to earn his title. Max

October 18, 2005, 07:16 AM	#2
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	No and no __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 18, 2005, 11:55 AM	#3
too many choices!? Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2004 Posts: 371	Why would it? The evil cop killing armor chomping 5.7 round was developed around the idea of a pointed smg bullet, with low recoil, high capacity, armor piercing ability, and to be fired from pistol length or smg length barrels. So why would it have recoil or flash, being designed as a pistol and smg round replacement? Does 9mm have a lot of recoil and muzzle flash out of pistol, smg, and carbine platforms ? PS- Never shot the little bugger, but felt qualified to chime in having seen the,"Monsterous" 5.7 round and pistol. The 5.7's capacity and velocity rule(especially if it fragments like 5.56 )

October 18, 2005, 02:21 PM	#5
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	P90 is very comfortable to fire and especially if you chose to 'live a little' and fire sustained bursts from it; I found the design conducive to keeping on target. Ripple off ten rounds at a go and it remains on the target. The only thing I personally disliked about it was the size of the cocking handles, which are great if your fingers are size 2s where mine are size 9s! __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

October 18, 2005, 07:04 PM	#8
Eightball Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2005 Location: On my Computer Posts: 289	That's the first time I've seen bullet gels on that round. Looks like it would be a natural choice for military usage. Looks like, at least. __________________ Own (among others): S&W 620 RRA 16" Middy AR15 M1 Garand, July '42 M1 Carbine, Inland '43

October 18, 2005, 12:30 PM	#4
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	Well, it's not THAT effective. You get a pretty messy wound track (beats any other FMJ pistol track, anyway, and it's up near decent 9mm JHP), but it's not an M193. Out of a P90. I dunno what it's like out of a Five-seveN.

October 18, 2005, 02:57 PM	#6
CobrayCommando Junior member Join Date: November 21, 2004 Posts: 1,631	Can someone post photos of bullets from either 5.7 platform shot into gelatin? I would be interested to see if this tumbling effect would happen reliably through clothing and at 25 yards as well, and still manage to have good penetration.

October 18, 2005, 08:56 PM	#9
too many choices!? Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2004 Posts: 371	Can you say.... OUCH!!!!!!! I want one(of each) !!

October 18, 2005, 09:15 PM	#10
Ac1d0v3r1d3 Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Goldendale, Washington Posts: 439	can we say over penetration? wouldnt this round be a nightmare in a self defense situation? if not, then i want a 5.7 too __________________ I aint the worlds best writer nor the best speller But when i believe in something i'm the loudest yeller. Woody Guthrie

October 18, 2005, 10:02 PM	#11
DmL5 Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2004 Location: USA Posts: 151	No, it always penetrates under 14 inches in gelatin because of the yaw, and it always yaws. -DmL

October 19, 2005, 08:49 AM	#12
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	No. It shed energy very fast in common building materials and yaws like crazy. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 19, 2005, 11:47 AM	#13
Freeman25 Member Join Date: January 21, 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 98	so, let me sum up what you've written (and what I thank you for): -The P90 has low recoil and muzzle flash -it's ammunition, the 5.7 mm SS 190, is very powerful and fast Only one thing's left on my mind: Is this great SMG used by the U.S. Military? Max __________________ Everyone has to earn his title. Max

October 19, 2005, 12:49 PM	#14
DmL5 Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2004 Location: USA Posts: 151	The USMC acquired 12 P90s in 2003 (I believe) for evaluation as an M9 replacement. -DmL

October 19, 2005, 01:51 PM	#15
CobrayCommando Junior member Join Date: November 21, 2004 Posts: 1,631	I'm impressed with the P90 at least! Certainly adequate penetration and the yawing effect seems to be reliable enough, but I wouldn't want to rely on that for wounding. I mean, in gelatin it happens all the time, in the human body what happens if it hits the sternum or a rib? Nevertheless its an SMG, so you've got 49 extras behind that first bullet! I want one! Now as for the Five-seveN.... Ugh...