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February 14, 2012, 12:32 PM | #101 | ||
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Would I consent to a search? Sure... after they get a warrant. I wouldn't be rude about it... just wouldn't let them violate my rights. |
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February 14, 2012, 01:44 PM | #102 | ||
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Exactly ! You have nothing to lose, and, possibly everything to gain by simply exercising your rights. It is as simple as that. Quote:
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February 14, 2012, 02:37 PM | #103 | ||
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It starts with them, and continues down hill from there. Occasionally a prosecutor decides they have more important things to do, or does not want to prompt a legal fight that could have wider impact. NYC can continue to enforce its laws free from challenger if they make sure to not allow anyone to gain standing. |
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February 14, 2012, 06:24 PM | #104 | |
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My 7 year old might take off running with scissors. When I tell him it's dangerous, he'll tell me he didn't get hurt. That doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do, so I'm still going to tell kids not to run with scissors. |
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February 14, 2012, 09:37 PM | #106 | |
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Upon realizing that LEO's were the biggest danger I encountered while riding, I decided to sell the bike and remain cage-bound......err, sorry, car-bound. At least if one of them hits me now I have a pretty good chance of surviving it. None of the cruisers had sirens or lights going, they were just being driven by morons. I never had encounters that close with any other vehicles while riding.
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February 15, 2012, 10:33 PM | #107 |
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video of the police?
Is taking a video of the police against the law?
Depends on your state statutes. Where I live and work it's perfectly legal as long as they stay out of your way while you're doing your job. In my state it's also legal to tape a cop's conversation. Only one party has to consent for it to be legal, and thusly they can tape you legally. But state laws on this issue vary significantly across the country.
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February 16, 2012, 07:17 AM | #109 | |
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February 16, 2012, 11:17 AM | #110 |
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Wow....
Cops ARE NOT on your side. This doent mean they are out to screw you over though. They have an Us Vs Them mentality. This does exist. My experiance as the only non-LEO male in 4 generations of my family tells me this. My family will admit the same thing. If anyone denies this they are a liar or ignorant. I mean this with all respect. Just remember when dealing with LEOs, they have more rights than you do so... The vast majority of LEOs are good honest people. My advice would be to treat them as such. Dont go around thinking every Cop is going to screw you over every chance they get. Just cover your own ass. It is not the LEOs duty to protect your rights as a citizen. Thats what attorneys are for. Remember you have the right to remain silient. Kudos to the OP. Great thread. |
February 16, 2012, 02:03 PM | #111 |
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If only we could end the thread on that note.
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February 16, 2012, 02:10 PM | #112 |
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Cops ARE NOT on your side.
Allow me to remark about this statement. Law Enforcement/Public Safety is on the people's side. When an officer arrests or detains an individual, they are not taking anyone's side. They are simply investigating an incident which may be a potential crime, gathering evidence and detaining/arresting the people who might be involved. The police department is not a decision making body and they do not take sides. All they do is collect information, evidence and, if need be, collect people. If you see or hear an officer coming to a conclusion about any type of suspected activity then they are out of line. It is not their job to come to an ultimate decision. The person who is not on your side and you must truly beware of is the Prosecutor. This is why you are entitled to a lawyer and that is because a specialized person is needed to deal with that individual. Thus, at no point should you ever handle these situations alone. You should employ the services of an attorney from the start and refrain from making statements. The moment the police show up and start asking questions is the moment you should either be calling your attorney or asking for one. Your defense starts the moment the police show up. Do not ever think or believe you will be able to handle this on your own. You will need specialized help, even if you are an attorney yourself, to negotiate and deal with the Prosecutor...the guy who is not at all on your side. The person or persons who may or may not be on your side is the judge or jury. In a courtroom, you never know how they might decide or what they think. They are the X factor or the unknown factor. So the police are on your side, but understand their duty is to investigate these incidents and bring it to the Prosecutor. Whatever you say or do...whatever you provide...will be handed over to the Prosecutor so that is why these situations have to be handled carefully and professionally with the help of an attorney or at least the public defender. They should be the only ones making statements on your behalf. As I said earlier, the best method to avoid these situations is not to expose yourself. For example, you wouldnt be getting arrested in NYC if you had simply researched the law and left the firearms at home. Just ask yourself every step of the way if your conduct or activity might be exposing yourself to police scrutiny. Last edited by CaptainObvious; February 16, 2012 at 02:21 PM. |
February 16, 2012, 02:43 PM | #113 |
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Starting to get circular -- time to quit.
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