Reloading with Titegroup

jeffk48867 · December 13, 2014, 03:37 PM

Anyone have much experience with Titegroup? I have a hard time restoring brass after I use it. It usually ends up black on one side of the shell. I can barely tumble it out. In some cases It won't come off.

4.4 Gr Titegroup

These are true once fired brass. Those with the black were tumbled in crushed walnut for MANY hours and it still win't go away.

A couple of pics.

jason75979 · December 13, 2014, 06:20 PM

Purely cosmetic.
Doesn't look as though you're actually worried, as you reloaded them anyway

Hammerhead · December 13, 2014, 06:35 PM

Very common with light/medium loads.

KEYBEAR · December 13, 2014, 07:43 PM

Got the same thing today with lite loads of two different powders .
New Brass lite load of 231 and the same with H4227 .
I guess the case in not expanding much .

Safeactionjackson · December 13, 2014, 07:54 PM

Wet tumbling with SS media would remove the discoloration.

Nick_C_S · December 13, 2014, 08:18 PM

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Wet tumbling with SS media would remove the discoloration.

Yep. Got a batch of 38's tumbling right now, as a matter of fact. I first dry tumble in corn cob to get the powder fouling and anything else it may have picked up at the range. Resize/decap, flair, then do a second tumble - wet, w/ SS pins. They come out shiny and like new - inside n out; primer pockets too.

Nice looking rounds btw. Appears to be a taper crimp (??) At any rate, they look correct.

sawdustdad · December 13, 2014, 09:28 PM

I wonder if some polishing compound added to the walnut media (I'm thinking Dillon rapid polish or whatever they call it..it's what I use). I've not had this problem using the polish.

Looks like Xtreme plated bullets? I like 5.3g Unique in my .38spl with a 125g Xtreme plated bullet. Those are my plinkers.

jtmckinney · December 14, 2014, 03:04 PM

A little roll crimp would probably help as would a little more powder. The idea with the crimp is to build up pressure before the bullet moves, this might help the case to expand to provide a better seal to the cylinder. I asume these are the same loads with 125 grain bullets in your other post. A heavier bullet would also probably help but I shoot a lot of 38 Special with 125 grain cast lead and understand how much fun they are.

Good luck in finding the answer.
James

mc123 · December 14, 2014, 03:34 PM

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4.4 Gr Titegroup

These are true once fired brass. Those with the black were tumbled in crushed walnut for MANY hours and it still win't go away.
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Using 357 brass, I use even less Titegroup powder with 158g xtreme FP and do not get nearly as much discoloration as shown above. Basically they look the same as my equivalent HP38 loads. They also clean up within a few hours with corncob and a little polish.

I use 158g since they tend to seal better, but I do not know if it will help in your situation. I use a very light roll crimp generally recommended by plated bullet manufacturers. Not necessarily the best looking, but they work:

Fox84 · December 14, 2014, 04:56 PM

Wet tumbling with ss pins is amazing! You will throw the other stuff away.

jeffk48867 · December 14, 2014, 05:59 PM

Dillon Accu-Crimp die

Gster · December 15, 2014, 05:39 PM

I load light loads with Titegroup and always get the tell tale black titegroup streak. Stainless pins remove it completely in about 1 hour.

BigJimP · December 15, 2014, 07:45 PM

I use TiteGroup for 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 acp, .38 spl, .357 mag and .44 mag....and no issues with carbon on the fired cases..../ I think you need to tighten your final crimp a little more... / I load everything with FMJ bullets...and to "mid range" levels as far as the recipe.

totaldla · December 18, 2014, 11:50 AM

Increase your crimp and warm up your load. Then you wont get those wussy marks anymore.

December 13, 2014, 03:37 PM	#1
jeffk48867 Junior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 7	Reloading with Titegroup Anyone have much experience with Titegroup? I have a hard time restoring brass after I use it. It usually ends up black on one side of the shell. I can barely tumble it out. In some cases It won't come off. 4.4 Gr Titegroup These are true once fired brass. Those with the black were tumbled in crushed walnut for MANY hours and it still win't go away. A couple of pics.

December 14, 2014, 03:04 PM	#8
jtmckinney Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 490	A little roll crimp would probably help as would a little more powder. The idea with the crimp is to build up pressure before the bullet moves, this might help the case to expand to provide a better seal to the cylinder. I asume these are the same loads with 125 grain bullets in your other post. A heavier bullet would also probably help but I shoot a lot of 38 Special with 125 grain cast lead and understand how much fun they are. Good luck in finding the answer. James __________________ “Government does few things well but it does them at great expense” Cal Thomas “When Government Can’t Be Trusted” 6/11/2013 When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; When I am stronger than you, I take away your freedoms because that is according to my principles. Frank Herbert "Children of Dune"

December 15, 2014, 05:39 PM	#12
Gster Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2012 Location: N.central Pa. Posts: 302	I load light loads with Titegroup and always get the tell tale black titegroup streak. Stainless pins remove it completely in about 1 hour. __________________ Gun control means: Being able to hit what you are shooting at.

December 18, 2014, 11:50 AM	#14
totaldla Senior Member Join Date: August 10, 2009 Location: SW Idaho Posts: 1,297	Increase your crimp and warm up your load. Then you wont get those wussy marks anymore. __________________ Lee Auto Bench Prime Castor Oil Case Lube

December 13, 2014, 06:20 PM	#2
jason75979 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2009 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 137	Purely cosmetic. Doesn't look as though you're actually worried, as you reloaded them anyway

December 13, 2014, 06:35 PM	#3
Hammerhead Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,432	Very common with light/medium loads.

December 13, 2014, 07:43 PM	#4
KEYBEAR Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,059	Got the same thing today with lite loads of two different powders . New Brass lite load of 231 and the same with H4227 . I guess the case in not expanding much .

December 13, 2014, 07:54 PM	#5
Safeactionjackson Junior Member Join Date: October 22, 2014 Posts: 5	Wet tumbling with SS media would remove the discoloration.

December 13, 2014, 09:28 PM	#7
sawdustdad Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 484	I wonder if some polishing compound added to the walnut media (I'm thinking Dillon rapid polish or whatever they call it..it's what I use). I've not had this problem using the polish. Looks like Xtreme plated bullets? I like 5.3g Unique in my .38spl with a 125g Xtreme plated bullet. Those are my plinkers.

December 14, 2014, 04:56 PM	#10
Fox84 Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2012 Location: Chester Va Posts: 360	Wet tumbling with ss pins is amazing! You will throw the other stuff away.

December 14, 2014, 05:59 PM	#11
jeffk48867 Junior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 7	Dillon Accu-Crimp die

December 15, 2014, 07:45 PM	#13
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	I use TiteGroup for 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 acp, .38 spl, .357 mag and .44 mag....and no issues with carbon on the fired cases..../ I think you need to tighten your final crimp a little more... / I load everything with FMJ bullets...and to "mid range" levels as far as the recipe.