Bolt action bullpup?

scouter27 · August 3, 2001, 01:59 PM

Are ther any, in a calibre less than .50 BMG and less expensive than the DSR-1? I would like to get one in .308 win if possible, but I don't want to spend >$7000. Thanks

Art Eatman · August 3, 2001, 05:45 PM

About 50 years ago, these had a brief popularity with those who hunted varmints from a vehicle.

The work is in the inletting and bedding of the stock, the drilling and tapping for scope mounts, and a connecting link between the stock-mounted trigger and the regular trigger.

I haven't kept up with info on who is doing such, nowadays.

Art

zouave · August 3, 2001, 05:50 PM

Why?

Spectre · August 3, 2001, 06:30 PM

George Stringer may be able to build one for you. Might want to post in The Smithy.

chiz45 · August 3, 2001, 07:07 PM

A guy at the local range has bullpup stock for a Mohawk Rem. 600 in .308. Pretty interesting looking, and supposedly quick to operate with a left hand under operation, with right hand never leaving a firing grip. I'll bring my camera to teh range next time, if i can catch him, i'll snap a few shots for ya!

scouter27 · August 3, 2001, 07:34 PM

Why?, I like the way they feel. That is the pest I can explain it.

That would be great, chiz. And If you see him, ask if he remember where he got it or who made it. Thanks

inGobwetrust · August 3, 2001, 07:39 PM

I once saw a bullpup rifle made from a Savage bolt-action pistol. It was for sale at a shop in Pelham, NH. It was kind of crude looking but very cool. I'd bet that a good smith could make something really nice from one of those.

Gromit · August 3, 2001, 08:08 PM

Hmmmm...

Imagine, a 1000yd tactical rifle with the size of an assault rifle....

Full length barrel- power and accuracy with the handiness of a short rifle.... good enough reasons for me !!! ...just as long as someone can come up with a great feeling trigger (which is probably the biggest obstacle).

Spectre · August 3, 2001, 08:44 PM

I wrote a short story on another board some months ago. My hero's custom gun was a Rem 700-based .300 Winchester Short Magnum bullpup w/ a 21" barrel...

Gabe · August 29, 2001, 03:05 AM

I can imagine a Blaser action bullpup w/left hand operation, AI style stock, Remington electric trigger. That would be pretty cool.

Something like this:

http://www.snipercountry.com/photogallery/Swisssnp.jpg

Matveicat · September 3, 2014, 10:10 AM

If you want o build one, I might suggest buying a k31, its streight pull bolt could be modified without damage I suspect, as part of making the stock and changing the bolt handle you coul in effect extend it forward past the action parallel to the irons. The advantages is this is very accurate very affordable bolt action in a decent cartridge. The custom stock would need some sort of captive notch for that. The platform uses magazines or stripper clips(not internal) so not retinal damage. Use a amount of steel there as bals shield if your worried. It could double as a diverter. The stock would need to be bolted to receiver if it provided the scope mount, irons would be useless now so might aswell be sacrificed. Some would call this sacrilige on vintage gun, but if it was done well, it might be worth it.

Honestly, the biggest issue will be the trigger and safety. Relaying a trigger isn't had, doing it smoothly is. That why many Bullpups triggers are very unpopular. The RFB may have a work around, but careful tuning a dual floated relay bar between you new trigger to the old encased one. It would be some considerable work to do this all right, but not ridiculous. Te safety is very far back on this gun, and will be encased in a stock, a relay bar might be goo there to so that not only is it accessible but closer to the operators hand. That is the advantage of this rifle, its easy to convert its motions and linkages, in a good gun. The stocks aren't work of art to sacrifice either.

Unlicensed Dremel · September 3, 2014, 10:16 AM

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I can imagine a Blaser action bullpup w/left hand operation, AI style stock, Remington electric trigger. That would be pretty cool.

Indeed it would.

For awhile, I was fired up about acquiring a Desert Tactical Arms SRS rifle, until I realized that it's about 5 lbs heavier than it really needs to be.

Shorter is good. What's not to like, other than stiffer trigger?

Art Eatman · September 3, 2014, 10:47 AM

I hope that the OP is still alive, after these thirteen years.

jmr40 · September 3, 2014, 11:15 AM

Probably at least partly explains the lack of interest in a bolt action bullpup.

Unlicensed Dremel · September 3, 2014, 11:42 AM

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I hope that the OP is still alive, after these thirteen years

And I fell for it - doh!!

Matveicat, how come you necromance? Oy

Matveicat · September 3, 2014, 12:04 PM

In the end the trigger doesn't have to be stiffer. Keltec found a way around it, its not really the weight thats annoying so much as the roughness, some people like heavy triggers, and if there smooth you really don't think there heavy to the touch. Notched plate around the magazine area might work decently. Bullpups get a bad rap for triggers due to the trends on how to make or convert one, but it can be fixed. Not easy to fix after the fact... But even jsut a tuning can help. From what ive heard Tavor users thought the inaccuracy issues stemmed from tis bad trigger(typical) but then a aftermarket cleaned that up and it still had issues, point being the triggers module can be cleaned up making system less of burden over all. So having the trigger int he original rifle softened and re calibrated for the new bull pup once built might be worthwhile as much as designing a very pistol like transfer for the new trigger. The mag release might be another concern.

Purpose design it is really the best option. Take a engineers designing class and do some independent study on strengths of materials. Then you can either build it for personal use only, with all NFA regs minded, and never sell it. You could also do a type 7 ffl i believe then you could manufacture and sell it(once serialized). Machining can be tricky. If the price is right I've looked at additive. Check the regs to be clear and check the NRA or someone reliable for a translation of the legal speak, its not very clear.

Theohazard · September 3, 2014, 12:30 PM

Matveicat, welcome to TFL. It looks like you found one of our threads on Google and made an account here in order to reply to it. And that's completely fine, but this thread is 13 years old. Now, there aren't any forum rules against resurrecting old threads, but it's usually pointless to try to give advice to someone who asked a question over a decade ago. And even if he remembers this thread and still could use some advice, in this case the OP hasn't been active on TFL for over six months. And judging by his post count, he's not very active here in general, so I doubt he'll come back and see this thread any time soon.

mapsjanhere · September 4, 2014, 11:38 AM

On the other hand, in the 13 years people actually started producing commercial bullpup stocks for bolt actions
http://www.cbrps.com/Mosin-Nagant.html
Just in case we get another search engine random hit.

SC4006 · September 4, 2014, 02:17 PM

I've noticed a lot of these old threads are brought back to life by newcomers. Probably because the thread pops up on a google search, and people register here just to comment on it without looking at the date of the op. Maybe in these 13 years the op finally found what he wanted.

August 3, 2001, 01:59 PM	#1
scouter27 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 420	Bolt action bullpup? Are ther any, in a calibre less than .50 BMG and less expensive than the DSR-1? I would like to get one in .308 win if possible, but I don't want to spend >$7000. Thanks __________________ Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons. S/F Jesse

August 3, 2001, 05:50 PM	#3
zouave Member Join Date: May 12, 2001 Location: Hudson Valley,NY Posts: 91	Why? __________________ *Super-Moderator of the Curio & Relic Forums* at www.gunsnet.net**

August 3, 2001, 07:34 PM	#6
scouter27 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 420	Why?, I like the way they feel. That is the pest I can explain it. That would be great, chiz. And If you see him, ask if he remember where he got it or who made it. Thanks __________________ Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons. S/F Jesse

August 3, 2001, 07:39 PM	#7
inGobwetrust Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2001 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 179	I once saw a bullpup rifle made from a Savage bolt-action pistol. It was for sale at a shop in Pelham, NH. It was kind of crude looking but very cool. I'd bet that a good smith could make something really nice from one of those. __________________ "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" George Orwell

September 3, 2014, 10:10 AM	#11
Matveicat Junior Member Join Date: September 2, 2014 Posts: 2	Options If you want o build one, I might suggest buying a k31, its streight pull bolt could be modified without damage I suspect, as part of making the stock and changing the bolt handle you coul in effect extend it forward past the action parallel to the irons. The advantages is this is very accurate very affordable bolt action in a decent cartridge. The custom stock would need some sort of captive notch for that. The platform uses magazines or stripper clips(not internal) so not retinal damage. Use a amount of steel there as bals shield if your worried. It could double as a diverter. The stock would need to be bolted to receiver if it provided the scope mount, irons would be useless now so might aswell be sacrificed. Some would call this sacrilige on vintage gun, but if it was done well, it might be worth it. Honestly, the biggest issue will be the trigger and safety. Relaying a trigger isn't had, doing it smoothly is. That why many Bullpups triggers are very unpopular. The RFB may have a work around, but careful tuning a dual floated relay bar between you new trigger to the old encased one. It would be some considerable work to do this all right, but not ridiculous. Te safety is very far back on this gun, and will be encased in a stock, a relay bar might be goo there to so that not only is it accessible but closer to the operators hand. That is the advantage of this rifle, its easy to convert its motions and linkages, in a good gun. The stocks aren't work of art to sacrifice either. Last edited by Matveicat; September 3, 2014 at 10:17 AM.

August 3, 2001, 05:45 PM	#2
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	About 50 years ago, these had a brief popularity with those who hunted varmints from a vehicle. The work is in the inletting and bedding of the stock, the drilling and tapping for scope mounts, and a connecting link between the stock-mounted trigger and the regular trigger. I haven't kept up with info on who is doing such, nowadays. Art

August 3, 2001, 06:30 PM	#4
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	George Stringer may be able to build one for you. Might want to post in The Smithy.

August 3, 2001, 07:07 PM	#5
chiz45 Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2000 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 197	A guy at the local range has bullpup stock for a Mohawk Rem. 600 in .308. Pretty interesting looking, and supposedly quick to operate with a left hand under operation, with right hand never leaving a firing grip. I'll bring my camera to teh range next time, if i can catch him, i'll snap a few shots for ya!

August 3, 2001, 08:08 PM	#8
Gromit Member Join Date: November 15, 2000 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 42	Hmmmm... Imagine, a 1000yd tactical rifle with the size of an assault rifle.... Full length barrel- power and accuracy with the handiness of a short rifle.... good enough reasons for me !!! ...just as long as someone can come up with a great feeling trigger (which is probably the biggest obstacle).

August 3, 2001, 08:44 PM	#9
Spectre Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 23, 1998 Location: ATL Posts: 3,277	I wrote a short story on another board some months ago. My hero's custom gun was a Rem 700-based .300 Winchester Short Magnum bullpup w/ a 21" barrel...

August 29, 2001, 03:05 AM	#10
Gabe Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2001 Posts: 144	I can imagine a Blaser action bullpup w/left hand operation, AI style stock, Remington electric trigger. That would be pretty cool. Something like this: http://www.snipercountry.com/photogallery/Swisssnp.jpg

September 3, 2014, 10:47 AM	#13
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	I hope that the OP is still alive, after these thirteen years.

September 3, 2014, 11:15 AM	#14
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,809	Probably at least partly explains the lack of interest in a bolt action bullpup.

September 3, 2014, 12:04 PM	#16
Matveicat Junior Member Join Date: September 2, 2014 Posts: 2	Trigger In the end the trigger doesn't have to be stiffer. Keltec found a way around it, its not really the weight thats annoying so much as the roughness, some people like heavy triggers, and if there smooth you really don't think there heavy to the touch. Notched plate around the magazine area might work decently. Bullpups get a bad rap for triggers due to the trends on how to make or convert one, but it can be fixed. Not easy to fix after the fact... But even jsut a tuning can help. From what ive heard Tavor users thought the inaccuracy issues stemmed from tis bad trigger(typical) but then a aftermarket cleaned that up and it still had issues, point being the triggers module can be cleaned up making system less of burden over all. So having the trigger int he original rifle softened and re calibrated for the new bull pup once built might be worthwhile as much as designing a very pistol like transfer for the new trigger. The mag release might be another concern. Purpose design it is really the best option. Take a engineers designing class and do some independent study on strengths of materials. Then you can either build it for personal use only, with all NFA regs minded, and never sell it. You could also do a type 7 ffl i believe then you could manufacture and sell it(once serialized). Machining can be tricky. If the price is right I've looked at additive. Check the regs to be clear and check the NRA or someone reliable for a translation of the legal speak, its not very clear.

September 3, 2014, 12:30 PM	#17
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Matveicat, welcome to TFL. It looks like you found one of our threads on Google and made an account here in order to reply to it. And that's completely fine, but this thread is 13 years old. Now, there aren't any forum rules against resurrecting old threads, but it's usually pointless to try to give advice to someone who asked a question over a decade ago. And even if he remembers this thread and still could use some advice, in this case the OP hasn't been active on TFL for over six months. And judging by his post count, he's not very active here in general, so I doubt he'll come back and see this thread any time soon. __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

September 4, 2014, 11:38 AM	#18
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	On the other hand, in the 13 years people actually started producing commercial bullpup stocks for bolt actions http://www.cbrps.com/Mosin-Nagant.html Just in case we get another search engine random hit. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

September 4, 2014, 02:17 PM	#19
SC4006 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2012 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 525	I've noticed a lot of these old threads are brought back to life by newcomers. Probably because the thread pops up on a google search, and people register here just to comment on it without looking at the date of the op. Maybe in these 13 years the op finally found what he wanted. __________________ I don't always go to the range, but when I do, I prefer dosAKs. They say 5 out of 4 people are bad at math.