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May 3, 2010, 05:50 AM | #26 |
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well i see it this way....i was allways tought never draw a gun unless you intend to clean it,stow it,or use it and if your drawing it to use it aim center mass. the store owner had the best of intentions it seams but used the wrong method in my opinion
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May 3, 2010, 09:17 PM | #28 |
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So where did the pizza owner go wrong? Well, the owner stated he fired off his weapon in the air in an attempt to scare away the gang and to get police there faster...
Lets analyze that logic a little closer. His firing of the weapon could have made matters worse. He gave the gang a reason to escalate the violence. Things could have turned out a lot worse as a result of the use of the weapon. The police in any place I have been get to where they are going fast. I remember when I was very young calling the police and then hanging up. I didnt know any better and was maybe 5 years old not at an age to really think. The police came within minutes...so the police move at the same speed if it were a hang up call or a gunshot. Believe me, they are moving fast no matter what happens. Lastly, lets look at when you can use your weapon. There has to be a clear and present danger. There were some stray shot gun pellets that hit a customer, but there was no real clear and present danger against the pizza owner or other individuals. It seemed more like a bunch of out of hand guys then anything else who got too rowdy. So there was some danger, but not enough danger to justify the use of a weapon. There were other alternatives such as closing the store and evacuating the staff/customers to safety. No one was really threatening the store owner or his customers. While the situation was intense and, in a way dangerous, it did not really justify bringing out the guns. You really need a high level of danger to justify the use of a weapon. Honestly, the store owner could have used some more restraint and his actions could have escalated an already bad situation. The laws on the use of deadly force and discharging a weapon are going to be strict in almost every state out there. You have to expect to be arrested anytime you use deadly force or discharge your weapon. You never know what a judge, jury, or the prosecutor is going to come up with therefore its wise to use the greatest restraint possible... Last edited by JohnH1963; May 3, 2010 at 10:36 PM. |
May 4, 2010, 11:31 AM | #29 |
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May 4, 2010, 01:45 PM | #31 |
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I agree with the other response, warning shots are for Hollywood... and perhaps Naval battles in the 1700s. "Lob one across her bow lads and prepare to board! That'll get their attention!"
Here's another way to look at it.. put two hot .45 slugs in the head of some chucklehead.. and let that serve as a "warning" to the rest. Last edited by booker_t; May 4, 2010 at 01:54 PM. |
May 6, 2010, 10:36 AM | #32 |
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you'd be surprised, skinsman, N.H. was just voted THE SAFEST place to live! Shortly thereafter all h#ll broke loose. Seems like getting the title tempted fate and created a crime wave, a small town called Henniker just had a murder, no one can remember a murder ever happening there! Many never knew we had motorcycle gangs here, and Luigi's isn't in a real bad neighborhood. I think many people are naive about what really goes on in their own backyard.
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I wanted to add the MAIN thing the pizza shop owner did wrong was make public statements outside of an attorney. He should have said absolutely nothing to anyone about the incident until he was told do so by his attorney.
His statement to the press may have been a coordinated act by his attorney, but I dont think so. He tried to defend himself to the press and police. Big mistake.... You never say anything to the police or make public statements after your pistol goes off. Just identify yourself, identify the weapons, identify the witnesses and persons involved. Tell them basically what happened briefly in one or two sentences, "he came at me with that knife you see there on the ground". After that brief statement, then tell them you wont speak anymore about it without an attorney... The press release saying he wanted to get police there faster may have sunk more in the hole then he already was. The attorney could have argued in court that the shop was under attack, one of the customers got shot and the owner had no other thing to do but shoot into the sky to try to scare them away. However, the owner specifically made the statement he wanted to get them there faster which is not a good self defense argument... If I were on a jury, I would have to say the act was in self defense if the argument was put forward that the shop was under attack. However, after hearing the owner's statements, I think he was doing something wrong by using his handgun priviledges to make the police act. I think something like that should be punished... |
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LOL All I meant was a good lawyer, and they way the law of the land id around here, the guy wouldnt get in trouble I think. Depending on the town of course, some of them they wouldnt have done or said anything.
Weld county a year back, some dude lays low an older man OUTSIDE his door beating on it with a 2X4. Dead as a doornail, SELFDEFENCE, no charges. If your not in the big city, a lotta stuff just dont apply. Wasnt tryin to stirr the pot. |
May 9, 2010, 05:13 PM | #36 |
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Skinsman, I couldn't agree more, country cops most times seem to see things in a more common sense view when it comes to defending ones life and home. I have seen right here in NH city cops that harass people with Glock, SIG or NRA decals on there vehicle being pulled over for no reason at all, Janet Napolitano put that in the works. Been some lawyers involved going after these cops on behalf of these citizens too when they aren't intimidated by the badge.
All in all I think the pizza shop owner wasn't thinking at all, the area he fired in is all apartments and who knows where he fired and even if he knew!
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