September 28, 2011, 01:54 PM | #26 |
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The "gotcha" that has not yet been discussed is that the BATFE's own FAQ site tells us that people can be legal residents of more than one state. If you live in, say, NY and also OWN a vacation residence in FL, VT, CO or wherever, according to the BATFE you are a resident of the vacation state during those periods when you are living in that house. As a resident, the BATFE says you can buy guns there just like any other resident.
The problem, of course, is that the same BATFE does not tell FFLs how to deal with that. Asking for a drivers license isn't the answer, because it's difficult or impossible to obtain a driver's license from multiple states. |
September 29, 2011, 04:05 AM | #27 |
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It's true, the ATF does allow for multiple states of residence. OTOH, they require a government issued photo ID to prove it and, as you noted, it's difficult to get more than one of those.
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September 29, 2011, 08:07 PM | #28 |
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Florida non resident ccw does not list any address and is not valid in obtaining a pistol in the state of Florida without having a valid Florida license.
Now what I'm not 100% on is I always hear/read Florida drivers license, not Florida ID. As for one of the posters claiming they are a snow bird and buy pistols down here they either have a Florida ID, a gun shop that doesn't know the law or haven't actualy bought a pistol from a gun shop. Private party is a different story. |
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October 1, 2011, 06:39 AM | #30 |
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According to federal law snow birds who maintain a residence in Florida as well as in another state may buy firearms including hanguns while they are in Florida. Federal law does not require a photo ID to establish residency. A government issued Photo ID is required by law to prove identity. Residency may be established by property tax bill, utility bills or lease agreement. Unfortunately BATFE is not very helpfull in defining what actually is legal for determining residency.
I was not able to find any Florida law that would prevent an FFL from selling a handgun to a snow bird with an out of state photo ID. |
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As a practical matter I can see an FFL getting uncomfortable with selling to someone with an out-of state ID supplemented by a vehicle registration. |
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Natman you are correct about some FFLs being uneasy with dual residency.
The secondary ID could not be the lease agreement that I mentioned. Drivers license, property tax bill, or voter registration should work. A utility bill would only work if the utility was government owned. This seems strange since utility bills are specifically mentioned in the case of resident aliens to establish the 90 day residency requirement. |
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October 1, 2011, 08:20 PM | #35 |
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The older Florida CWL have your adrress on them. The current ones do not have an address.
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I stand corrected. Either that law has been broken by many people in the DOD, including me, or it was interpreted differently at the time.
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I'm curious about the BATFE interpretation of residence vs Home of Record, and am not sure it's accurate. As a Florida resident while on active duty, I didn't have to pay state income tax to Maine or Hawaii, for example; for all legal purposes, I was still considered a Florida resident.
So, either the law has changed (which I doubt), or ATF is arbitrarily making up rules (which I am more likely to suspect). |
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EDIT: Now that I think about it more I was questioned when still a resident of Colorado. I was home on leave and wanted to buy a hand gun but had an out of state address on my DL. The shop owner called whomever they ask such questions of and was told he could sell it to me. They did not question my Florida DL in Oklahoma, just needed a copy of my orders.
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Just received my CCW last week. There is no address listed on it.
As far as military residency is concerned, I have not had any issues with purchasing in TX, Va, or Wa. I have just presented a copy of my orders transferring me to that state. It is very possible the FFL in Fl was confused. The next trip to Fl, I might renew my drivers license as it is about 3 years past the expiration date. |
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