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It's a warning Lee has for the Auto-prim hand tool. They probably also have it for their other presses that feed from a tray, but I haven't looked. The reasoning is that Federal's priming mix is sensitive enough that if one goes off during priming it can cause sympathetic ignition (fratricide) of all the other primers in the tray, making for a big explosion. In the turret press, however, if you place the primers in the primer seater one-at-a-time, that risk does not exist and it won't matter which primer you use.
As to the best bullet and powder, that's pretty much like asking the art world which painting or sculpture is best. It depends on your purpose for the load (accuracy, power, economy), and on how your gun handles the different combinations? Different gun designs and even individual gun chambers can handle one load better or worse than others. Chances are you will find different bullet weights like some powders better in your gun than others. In the end, you will have to do some experimenting to find what is your best choice? As a beginner, I expect you just want something to start with and get used to. Later, as time and money allow, you will start trying other things and comparing how they do to that first starting load you use. You'll be looking to make improvements, of course. To get a first starting load, pick a bullet weight and type. Then the powder recommendations can flow from the manuals or from the rest of us.
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Like UncleNick advised - I've seen other warnings on Federal primers as well - and I'd recommend you stay with CCI, Winchester or Remington primers - personally I've used CCI primers for years with no problems.
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I should emphasize, though, that this only becomes an issue with the primers bunched together and some other problem occuring at the same time. Federal primers have excellent consistency and reliability and have been favored by many accuracy target shooters for those reasons. Federal pistol primers are sometimes the only primers sensitive enough to fire consistently in a tuned revolver with a lightened mainspring. I used them for decades in service rifles without incident simply because I am careful to have no high primers in my loads, and high primers are usually the real culprit in slamfires.
So there are reasons to use Federals. It's a matter of trade-offs that have to be weighed, same as with using other components.
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Nosler book # 6 they only list 135 and 150 gr.
List the loading density for rifle and handguns but with the 40 I think it is a no brainier because any powder is going to fill the case enough to raise a red flag if you double charge it. I have a big stack of loading manuals plus I belong to www.loaddata.com. It's kind of neat you can say lets look at 40 with Unique and a 180 and it pulls a ton of data just on that. I still get the Hogdon loading magazine they put out ever year,
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Only as far as I can tell or articles from magazine. The great thing is you can cross reference it right there. Put Speer and Serria up and check them against Nosler or some lesser source. You can check it out without joining it just will not give you the grains to use . I do love it . The hand full of books I don't have cost more that the cost of membership so I went with the membership.
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ONLY MY OPINION...
But I would skip over Loaddata.com. I mean, I might use it to get ideas or look at some comments, but what you have there are people's listed loads. Some say they come from published sources... but if you haven't confirmed the load that you intend to build by seeing it in a published source, then you haven't covered your own butt. It's hard to accurately "guess" what all the other longtime reloaders do, but I can tell you that I don't build loads unless it's something I've already built in the past, or I've visually cross-referenced it from at least two reliable sources. Those sources include the free powder guides that manufacturers print, quality loading manuals, online powder maker websites (Hodgdon is the best) or known bullet manufacturers. I don't care if John Taffin and Ken Waters are at my house for lunch and yelling pet loads down the stairs at the man cave-- I'm still cross-checking what I intend to load with published sources. So as long as I'm double and triple checking load data, I'm not likely to sign up for anyone's website and simply take any posted comments as a straight source. I love to hear other folks' suggestions and experiences, and I do use them also, but not until I've done my share of the homework.
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I just ran 200 Federal Small Pistol primers through my Lee Classic turret with the safety prime system.
Nary a problem, but I only load 20-30 primers in the tray at a time. Just in case.
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Sounds like you have not been to the web site to me
Do you call Hornady here say or Serria or Nosler or Hogdon. Look at the source of the data it did not come off of the bath room wall. Sure you could say that about Reloader magazine. Take a look then judge. I have been loading since 1982 I always cross reference all data. Thats why I have a stack of manuals. It just puts it all in one spot and make it easy to find and print,
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Ok you have been there. Look at the major players
Do you call Hornady here say or Serria or Nosler or Hogdon. Look at the source of the data it did not come off of the bath room wall. Sure you could say that about Reloader magazine. Take a look then judge. I have been loading since 1982 I always cross reference all data. Thats why I have a stack of manuals. It just puts it all in one spot and make it easy to find and print. Even manuals make mistakes Sierra did that with the 300 RUM not to long ago. Thats why you start low and work your way up looking for accuracy as you go,
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Go to Hodgdon's web site and check out Longshot for the 40 S&W.
It is for medium to hot loads (not mild), has good FPS and lower chamber pressure and a double charge would be almost impossible. I have heard many use Longshot for competition for the 40 S&W. I have used it in handguns with barrels from 3" to 5" and find it to be clean, accurate and a great powder for all around use. I use bullet weights from 165gr to 180gr and plated, lead and jacketed.
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Is the one I go for when power is what I need. It will send a 180 and 1160 in a 4 inch or 1200 from a 5 inch gun. They did drop the load a .5 grain with the 135 but even at that it still rocks. It might be a good time to say do not use the old Federal brass with the head stamp of FC or FC NT the newer marked Federal is all OK,
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I like Hodgdon longshot. I'm shooting 135 hp's and it is max at 11.5 gr. I shoot 11 gr, and just chrono'd them at 1388fps. It's also very accurate.
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