Price / value question.

c.robertson · July 28, 2010, 09:01 AM

Hope this question is not out of line here. Up at a local auction is a Uberti 1858 Remington Stainless with adjustable sights and hexagon or octagon barrel new in the box. What is the value of this toy? Opinions?

The one on Gun Broker is started at $395.00 and is blue steel. I cannot find any information on these pistols anywhere. Any help would be appreciated.

I am just gettin back into BP pistol shooting since leaving it in 1970. (boy has the world changed.) First CB pistol bought 10-July-10 was used with minor pitting Uberti/Navy Arms 1858 Rem. 36cal. with Lyman mold blocks, holster, and 15 lbs of lead for $75.00. I suspect that was a fairly good price.

ClemBert · July 28, 2010, 09:16 AM

I don't know about the adjustable sight model but here's a starting point.

However, if you are talking about a Pietta then this one could be what you are looking for. Only $5 shipping at Cabelas through August 3rd. The SS Piettas are actually VERY nice.

I recently pick up this model for a delivered price of $240 recently. I actually returned it because it had a weird angled loading lever stud. They sent a replacement that was perfect. All on their nickel. The beauty of purchasing from Cabelas....satisfaction guaranteed.

Slowhand · July 28, 2010, 09:46 AM

Prices are way up on Replicas right now, Cabela's has of course been running their special offers, which ends in August. Taylors and Midway USA have some good deals. But when it comes to used..We won't mention originals. I ran into several Remmies like you described at Gun Shows going for $300-$500. It all depends on what shape they are in and of course what the customer is willing to pay.

Midway USA sells one new for $450.00 but that doesn't include S&H. Also they're on back order

You stole the Uberti Remmie for $75.00, if it's fully functional and doesn't need some repairs. I just got into Black Powder Shooting. I bought a Mendi Replica of a Spanish Muzzle Loading Pistol .36 Cal and a Uberti 1847 Colt Walker on Gun Broker, I paid a bit too much for either one but, what the heck.

Smartest thing so far was to buy a Uberti 1851 Colt Navy, .36 Cal from Taylors.

Loads of people who bought Black Powder Revolvers in the 80s and 90s at the prices you describe have discovered that they can now double or triple their money buy selling them. Of course there are also people who have bought them lately on a whim, shot them a few times and decided to get out of it and try to get their money back.

It's interesting times. I have been collecting cartridge weapons for decades and so far my venture into Black Powder Revolver has been interesting.

In short use the google, shop around and good luck.

c.robertson · July 28, 2010, 10:12 AM

The only Uberti 1858 Rem. target like the one on auction was found was in Australia for $823.18. WOW!! (That is $744.00 in US money.) It is different to all the current types of adjustable sight '58 Rem. Stainless CB revolvers currently being offered.

http://www.shooters.com.au/product.a...57923&cID=7719

Slowhand · July 28, 2010, 10:24 AM

I saw one for $1,100. listed in Uberti Australia. Yikes. Makes that $400.00 I paid for mine a real deal.

Fingers McGee · July 28, 2010, 10:44 AM

6th Edition Blue Book (2009) lists the value of a Uberti Stainess Steel target model as follows:

100% - $445; 98% - $405; 90% - 335; 80% - $290.

Good luck.

FM

c.robertson · July 28, 2010, 11:26 AM

Thank you Mr. McGee. I could not find it on the 2008 Blue Book CD. Don't mean it ain't there, just could not find it.

mykeal · July 28, 2010, 11:37 AM

BP revolvers are not covered in the Blue Book of Gun Values; they're in a separate edition titled The Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms.

Doc Hoy · July 28, 2010, 11:58 AM

You absolutely did steal the 1858 and paraphernalia. Used to find those kinds of deals at gun shows but not so much any more.

BTW, no need to bold your text.

c.robertson · July 28, 2010, 12:19 PM

OK. Sorry on the bold text. But it is easier for me to read. I have glaucoma.

ClemBert · July 28, 2010, 01:20 PM

The $460 one at MidwayUSA seems a bit pricey. For the money I'd rather have a Ruger Old Army.

Doc Hoy · July 28, 2010, 05:49 PM

....+1

Slowhand · July 28, 2010, 11:06 PM

++ 2 Love to find one. If the price was right, I'd be on it.

clang · July 29, 2010, 04:36 PM

It's amazing the range of prices for Black Powder firearms. A couple of months ago I picked up a like new steel frame Armi San Marco 1860 Colt for $100. If I really wanted to try, I probably could have gotten it for $80. I've heard varying stories about the quality of these guns, but the one I bought is a real beauty, and the action is outstanding. Shot it a couple of times already and I really like it.

I also have a couple of ROAs.

c.robertson · July 29, 2010, 05:39 PM

PRICES, yeah. I am still sniveling and whining for passing up on the purchase of a new in the box of a Uberti 1847 Walker for $200.00 last fall. Had not intended to get back into black powder at the time and did not fully realize the value of the gun.

Doc Hoy · July 29, 2010, 07:04 PM

I have owned three ASM pistols and I like(d) them all.

I still have a brass frame and a Steel frame Remington and they are as tight as any new Pietta I have examined. I also rebuilt a CVA 1863 Pocket Remington. Come to think of it, it might be hard to call that an ASM with all of the aftermarket parts I had to use. I think I actually got some of the parts from the Maytag repair place down the street.

Anyway, I will never part with these two Remingtons I still have.

I will also say that I have a steel frame Armi San Paolo 1860 in the white and that is a buone pistole as well.

Southerndude · August 8, 2010, 11:35 PM

I've recently come into ownership of 3 black powders.
2 are .36 and one .44 All Uberti.
Navy, Patterson, and Walker.
I don't do black powder. Have too many regular guns and not enough money for another "bad habit",wife quote.
What is best way to find out there worth and sell. Don't know of any local shooters.
[email protected]

denster · August 9, 2010, 12:14 AM

Post some pics and we'll give you an idea of value. If they are nice they should bring good prices particularly the patterson. You could list them for sale here or sell them on gunbroker.

Doc Hoy · August 9, 2010, 05:56 AM

I bet there are several folks here who would be very interested.

mykeal · August 9, 2010, 07:44 AM

As denster implies, condition is key to value. Making an honest evaluation of the condition will quickly establish the value and draw the appropriate attention. You don't need to do the "95%" thing, just describe the condition in ordinary words, making sure to include the inside of the bore and chambers, and the area around the nipples.

Oh, and place it in a new thread so it gets proper attention.

andrewstorm · August 9, 2010, 09:29 AM

Whats the matter yall run otta snakes down there,as i remember ,theres a copper head or water mocisin,on every other stump,makes for some good shootin,snappers are fair game too,and mighty tastee,or you can allways use the 1858 to dispatch a 90 lb flathead catfish before he sinks your boat:d

andrewstorm · August 9, 2010, 09:31 AM

OOPS

Slowhand · August 9, 2010, 10:35 AM

You off the meds again Andrews??

andrewstorm · August 9, 2010, 10:55 PM

No I dont need medication,as you rebs do,after the whoopin sherman gave yall,lol ha ha ha..............................................................

July 28, 2010, 09:01 AM	#1
c.robertson Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Grain Valley Mo. Posts: 102	Price / value question. Hope this question is not out of line here. Up at a local auction is a Uberti 1858 Remington Stainless with adjustable sights and hexagon or octagon barrel new in the box. What is the value of this toy? Opinions? The one on Gun Broker is started at $395.00 and is blue steel. I cannot find any information on these pistols anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. I am just gettin back into BP pistol shooting since leaving it in 1970. (boy has the world changed.) First CB pistol bought 10-July-10 was used with minor pitting Uberti/Navy Arms 1858 Rem. 36cal. with Lyman mold blocks, holster, and 15 lbs of lead for $75.00. I suspect that was a fairly good price.

July 28, 2010, 09:16 AM	#2
ClemBert Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 936	I don't know about the adjustable sight model but here's a starting point. However, if you are talking about a Pietta then this one could be what you are looking for. Only $5 shipping at Cabelas through August 3rd. The SS Piettas are actually VERY nice. I recently pick up this model for a delivered price of $240 recently. I actually returned it because it had a weird angled loading lever stud. They sent a replacement that was perfect. All on their nickel. The beauty of purchasing from Cabelas....satisfaction guaranteed. Last edited by ClemBert; July 28, 2010 at 09:34 AM.

July 28, 2010, 09:46 AM	#3
Slowhand Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 263	Prices Way Up Availability Way Down Prices are way up on Replicas right now, Cabela's has of course been running their special offers, which ends in August. Taylors and Midway USA have some good deals. But when it comes to used..We won't mention originals. I ran into several Remmies like you described at Gun Shows going for $300-$500. It all depends on what shape they are in and of course what the customer is willing to pay. Midway USA sells one new for $450.00 but that doesn't include S&H. Also they're on back order You stole the Uberti Remmie for $75.00, if it's fully functional and doesn't need some repairs. I just got into Black Powder Shooting. I bought a Mendi Replica of a Spanish Muzzle Loading Pistol .36 Cal and a Uberti 1847 Colt Walker on Gun Broker, I paid a bit too much for either one but, what the heck. Smartest thing so far was to buy a Uberti 1851 Colt Navy, .36 Cal from Taylors. Loads of people who bought Black Powder Revolvers in the 80s and 90s at the prices you describe have discovered that they can now double or triple their money buy selling them. Of course there are also people who have bought them lately on a whim, shot them a few times and decided to get out of it and try to get their money back. It's interesting times. I have been collecting cartridge weapons for decades and so far my venture into Black Powder Revolver has been interesting. In short use the google, shop around and good luck. Last edited by Slowhand; July 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM.

July 28, 2010, 10:24 AM	#5
Slowhand Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 263	Uberti RM 1871 Conversion 1851 Colt Navy. .38 Cal I saw one for $1,100. listed in Uberti Australia. Yikes. Makes that $400.00 I paid for mine a real deal.

July 28, 2010, 10:44 AM	#6
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	6th Edition Blue Book (2009) lists the value of a Uberti Stainess Steel target model as follows: 100% - $445; 98% - $405; 90% - 335; 80% - $290. Good luck. FM __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

July 28, 2010, 10:12 AM	#4
c.robertson Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Grain Valley Mo. Posts: 102	The only Uberti 1858 Rem. target like the one on auction was found was in Australia for $823.18. WOW!! (That is $744.00 in US money.) It is different to all the current types of adjustable sight '58 Rem. Stainless CB revolvers currently being offered. http://www.shooters.com.au/product.a...57923&cID=7719

July 28, 2010, 11:26 AM	#7
c.robertson Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Grain Valley Mo. Posts: 102	Thank you Mr. McGee. I could not find it on the 2008 Blue Book CD. Don't mean it ain't there, just could not find it.

July 28, 2010, 11:37 AM	#8
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	BP revolvers are not covered in the Blue Book of Gun Values; they're in a separate edition titled The Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms.

July 28, 2010, 11:58 AM	#9
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	C. Robertson You absolutely did steal the 1858 and paraphernalia. Used to find those kinds of deals at gun shows but not so much any more. BTW, no need to bold your text. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

July 28, 2010, 12:19 PM	#10
c.robertson Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Grain Valley Mo. Posts: 102	OK. Sorry on the bold text. But it is easier for me to read. I have glaucoma.

July 28, 2010, 01:20 PM	#11
ClemBert Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 936	The $460 one at MidwayUSA seems a bit pricey. For the money I'd rather have a Ruger Old Army.

July 28, 2010, 05:49 PM	#12
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Clem.... ....+1 __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

July 28, 2010, 11:06 PM	#13
Slowhand Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 263	++ 2 Love to find one. If the price was right, I'd be on it.

July 29, 2010, 04:36 PM	#14
clang Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Posts: 119	It's amazing the range of prices for Black Powder firearms. A couple of months ago I picked up a like new steel frame Armi San Marco 1860 Colt for $100. If I really wanted to try, I probably could have gotten it for $80. I've heard varying stories about the quality of these guns, but the one I bought is a real beauty, and the action is outstanding. Shot it a couple of times already and I really like it. I also have a couple of ROAs. __________________ If the horse don't pull you've got to carry the load.

July 29, 2010, 05:39 PM	#15
c.robertson Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Grain Valley Mo. Posts: 102	PRICES, yeah. I am still sniveling and whining for passing up on the purchase of a new in the box of a Uberti 1847 Walker for $200.00 last fall. Had not intended to get back into black powder at the time and did not fully realize the value of the gun.

July 29, 2010, 07:04 PM	#16
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Clang I have owned three ASM pistols and I like(d) them all. I still have a brass frame and a Steel frame Remington and they are as tight as any new Pietta I have examined. I also rebuilt a CVA 1863 Pocket Remington. Come to think of it, it might be hard to call that an ASM with all of the aftermarket parts I had to use. I think I actually got some of the parts from the Maytag repair place down the street. Anyway, I will never part with these two Remingtons I still have. I will also say that I have a steel frame Armi San Paolo 1860 in the white and that is a buone pistole as well. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

August 8, 2010, 11:35 PM	#17
Southerndude Junior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Posts: 4	3 Uberti pistols I've recently come into ownership of 3 black powders. 2 are .36 and one .44 All Uberti. Navy, Patterson, and Walker. I don't do black powder. Have too many regular guns and not enough money for another "bad habit",wife quote. What is best way to find out there worth and sell. Don't know of any local shooters. [email protected]

August 9, 2010, 12:14 AM	#18
denster Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 581	Post some pics and we'll give you an idea of value. If they are nice they should bring good prices particularly the patterson. You could list them for sale here or sell them on gunbroker.

August 9, 2010, 05:56 AM	#19
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Denster + 1 I bet there are several folks here who would be very interested. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

August 9, 2010, 07:44 AM	#20
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	As denster implies, condition is key to value. Making an honest evaluation of the condition will quickly establish the value and draw the appropriate attention. You don't need to do the "95%" thing, just describe the condition in ordinary words, making sure to include the inside of the bore and chambers, and the area around the nipples. Oh, and place it in a new thread so it gets proper attention.

August 9, 2010, 09:29 AM	#21
andrewstorm Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2009 Posts: 198	Southern dude Whats the matter yall run otta snakes down there,as i remember ,theres a copper head or water mocisin,on every other stump,makes for some good shootin,snappers are fair game too,and mighty tastee,or you can allways use the 1858 to dispatch a 90 lb flathead catfish before he sinks your boat:d

August 9, 2010, 09:31 AM	#22
andrewstorm Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2009 Posts: 198	OOPS

August 9, 2010, 10:35 AM	#23
Slowhand Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 263	You off the meds again Andrews??

August 9, 2010, 10:55 PM	#24
andrewstorm Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2009 Posts: 198	slow headed No I dont need medication,as you rebs do,after the whoopin sherman gave yall,lol ha ha ha..............................................................