March 2, 2013, 10:18 PM | #1 |
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9mm Subgun ammo
Anybody shoot this stuff out of a normal Pistol? Just wondering because that's the only 9mm ammo I can find. Also, they say its corrosive. How would I have to Clean the Gun? Thanks for any feedback
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March 3, 2013, 09:35 AM | #2 |
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What exactly do you have, and why are you calling it "Subgun" ammo? In general, if the seller actually tells you it's corrosive, you should believe it.
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March 3, 2013, 09:51 AM | #3 |
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Don't quote me on it....
But, if I understand correctly the subgun stuff is more powerful than most handguns are designed to handle. You might be able to get away with it, for a little while, but I wouldnt do it. |
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Based on what I've read in the gun press and various sources online, older 9mm SMG ammo can often be identified by the following features:
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The only key is "soon"- the longer the corrosive salts sit on the metal, the higher the chances of corrosion occurring. It's OK to a few hours until you've driven home from the range or whatever; just don't let the pistol(s) sit for a matter of days or weeks before cleaning.
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March 3, 2013, 01:27 PM | #5 |
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Very informative, thank you. I remember the Hirtenberger stuff. Usually pretty good quality. Their 7.62 from 1980 looks great. I don't remember seeing any corrosive stuff before, that sends up a red flag.
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March 3, 2013, 02:34 PM | #6 |
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So pulling the bullets, dumping the powder and reloading would seem to be the best idea, but then you'd have to find out how hot the powder is and even then there's corrosivity you gotta worry about? I suppose it depends on if you think 19 cents a round is worth it, and man that deal is tempting... https://www.samcoglobal.com/Ammo-9mm-ball.html
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March 3, 2013, 06:56 PM | #7 |
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Ive shot a lot of SMG 9mm over the years, some was hot, and some was HOT.
One batch of Spanish 9mm...this stuff, just in case you ever come across some... ..... did this to my MAC in just under 2000 rounds.... The upper on the gun in the pic was the replacement, and went another 27+ years, and beau coup tens of thousands of rounds of standard and NATO 9mm, and is still running like a top. When you fired that stuff in the MAC, the cyclic rate went up quite a bit and your cheek was soon sore after just a few mags from it resting on the arm of the stock. It was a hell of a ride when it was running though. This stuff, some Egyptian 9mm SMG ammo, was hot, and more corrosive than anything else Ive ever seen. We shot a bunch of it on a warm and humid August day, and since we got home late, i didnt clean it right away, like I normally do, and figured Id let it go til morning. Bad move. The barrel, bolt, and inside of the tube, were all covered in a fuzzy layer of bright orange rust. This is the stuff if you ever come across some. If you do, RUN. It appears to have been meant for the Egyptian "Port Said" copy of the Swedish M45 "Swedish K", and is packed 36 rounds to the box...... |
March 3, 2013, 11:32 PM | #8 |
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That's the stuff
Caliber 9mm Ball (9x19) MK 2Z, SMC, FMJ ammunition. Mfg. P.O.F. in 70's. Brass cases, Corrosive, Berdan. 124 grs. Packed LOOSE 1250 rds per carton. * NOTE: THIS AMMO IS FOR USE IN SUBMACHINE GUNS ONLY, NOT FOR USE IN PISTOLS. 500 Rds. 18.9 Cents per Round. $94.50 Quantity: Loose 1250 Rds. Carton $236.25 Quantity: Anybody think its worth a shot? I do have some stout guns to use. Smith 5906. Ruger p95. Etc... |
March 4, 2013, 02:00 AM | #9 |
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6.8, While I have used, and chronographed, quite a bit of warm ammo in 9MM pistols, revolvers and carbines, i.e., NATO, Israli IMI Carbine ball, Israli TZZ, +P, +P+, etc, I gotta admit that I would not use approx. 40 year old corrosive Middle Eastern, or otherwise, sub gun ammo in any of my guns, no matter how cheap it might be. I would wait until some decent quality non-corrosive ammo became available. I have used some of the Hirtenberger 9MM ball ammo. It was excellent, and non-corrosive...
Ps, I have not fired or chronographed any of the "2Z" ammo, but I have read several times over the years that it is the HOT stuff.
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March 4, 2013, 03:52 AM | #10 |
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That's good advice. I will probably wait. This 9mm ammo drought is brutal, anybody know of a place to order some? I'd even settle for some non corrosive subgun ammo
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March 4, 2013, 09:18 AM | #11 |
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The Spanish box shown actually says "For Pistols" on the label. In general, unless otherwise marked, 9x19 ammo is designed for both pistols and SMGs.
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March 4, 2013, 10:24 AM | #12 |
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I dont know what kind of pistol it was loaded for, Id guess the Stars, but I dont think Id shoot much of it in a pistol I cared about, considering what it did to my MAC. I know they arent the heaviest built, but they seem to do fine with NATO spec ammo.
Ive shot a bunch of it and similar SMG stuff in heavier made stamped SMG's (STEN, M45, MP40) and it never seemed to be a problem in those guns. One problem with "surplus" is, you never really know its history. Was it stored right, was it a lot that was refused for some reason, age? Who knows. Over the years, I can only remember having to send one lot of .308 back because they found out soon after they released it, that guns were blowing up because of it. |
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