August 22, 2013, 02:22 AM | #1 |
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What is this?
I found this in a coffee can that my father had. I think someone gave this to him before he died. What is it? I want to put it back together. Where can I get info on it? Serial #19621 ... (see full gun pic on next thread)
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August 22, 2013, 02:25 AM | #2 |
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Full pic
click on attachment for full pic of revolver.
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August 22, 2013, 05:57 AM | #3 |
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I'd say that was an Italian (Uberti or Pietta) reproduction of the 1848 Colt Dragoon revolver. The lever under the barrel is the loading arm, but you are missing the loading "ram" that connects to the lower pivot hole in the arm. This ram is pushed into the bottom chamber to push the ball down into the cylinder when reloading the gun.
Google "Colt dragoon revolver" and you should be able to find plenty of information and/or exploded parts diagrams.
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August 22, 2013, 06:20 AM | #4 |
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It is a Copy of a Colt Navy not a Dragoon.
It does have a round Dragoon style barrel, rather than the octagon Navy style. It is also .44 caliber, not .36
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August 22, 2013, 06:35 AM | #5 |
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its a hodge podge gun. The frame is marked HAWES that can help put an importer on it. however the barrel is of the style marked as "1851 round navy civilian" by modern makers.
its not rare, and its brass. |
August 22, 2013, 06:49 AM | #6 |
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Sweet, is it for sale?
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It looks to me like one of the pistols that used to be sold in the 60s - can't remember who had 'em - might have been Hawes - one was a "Yank" and the other was a "Reb". They weren't really copies of anything - they resembled the '51 Navy but with a round barrel. Dixie had 'em in those days as well as a lot of mail order companies that sold through gun magazines. But .. . . that's just a guess on my part.
Just because it's not a copy of any particular model - doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it though. I'd clean it up, put it all together and see how it does burning powder. If nothing more, put it on the wall to remind you of your Dad.
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Hawes was a big importer of European made firearms from the 1950s through to I believe the early 1970s. IIRC GCA 1968 really crippled them and they went out of business.
Along with single-action Colt style revolvers made in Germany by Sauer, Hawes also imported black powder revolvers made in Italy. Yours is obviously one of those guns.
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That's a COM manufactured Griswold and Gunnison in .44 caliber. It was imported by Hawes out of Los Angeles and the date code indicates 1976 as the year of manufacture.
An accurate G&G reproduction would be in .36 caliber. Fix it up and go shoot it! |
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You could probably use the wedge, screws and loading ram from any of the pietta .44 1851 reproductions.
Parts are available from Dixie gun works. Replacement nipples (if you need them) could either be the 6mm or the 5.5 sizes. Oh, and don't et them get you down about it being brass framed, It was your dads, fix it up, load it with light loads, and enjoy it and his memory.. Keep us posted with the progress.. 45 Bravo
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Swathdiver beat me to it, lol! It's a G & G replica, I have an old Navy Arms Pietta, and my wife has a brand new Cabelas Pietta. Cool guns, the rebounded in popularity with the series "Hell on Wheels", because the protagonist carried a mocked up 60 that was spose to be a Griswold, which is weird because they are readily available, lol!
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August 24, 2013, 08:38 PM | #13 |
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Thanks
Thanks for all the Info... I will reassemble and fire it....
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August 25, 2013, 04:08 AM | #14 |
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What Now?
OK, I need to know what to do to get the correct equipment and proper procedure for loading and firing this pistol. I have no experience with black powder at all...
any advice will be appreciated. thanks Cmax |
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There's a sticky thread at the top of this forum titled "So you want a cap and ball revolver?" Lots of good info in there.
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