Info required on 12 gauge shotgun

Scout2 · September 14, 2012, 01:09 PM

have a 12 gauge shotgun I inherited from my late father-in-law and would like to know more about it. It has an emblem on the stock which I am told is an "Ortgies" emblem. Apparently it was made in Germany but I don't know when and would love to know what it would be worth. There is a link to some information.

http://ortgies.net/ortgies0015.htm

The emblem looks like the one on page 86 of this info but the gun in the picture looks different. Any ideas?

Dave McC · September 14, 2012, 02:19 PM

Pics are essential.....

Samurai1981 · September 14, 2012, 07:37 PM

You need to add some pics of the actual shotgun so people can take a look and give their input.

Scout2 · September 14, 2012, 08:44 PM

pics of shotgun

Scout2 · September 14, 2012, 08:48 PM

Sorry having trouble with second picture

TheSILENTtype · September 14, 2012, 08:51 PM

need a closer and clearer marking pic.

you said this is a 12GA???

Scout2 · September 15, 2012, 07:22 AM

Sorry but I know very little about guns. I was told it is a 12 gauge. The barrel i.d. is over 1/2 inch.
It seems I know even less about computers as the "emblem" picture from the stock refuses to upload. It looks exactly like the picture on the link I posted earlier. It appears on page 86 of the link

Goatwhiskers · September 15, 2012, 05:23 PM

I'd have to see some better pics but sure looks like a '98 Mauser from what I can see, wouldn't be a 12ga either. GW

Dave McC · September 15, 2012, 07:55 PM

Between WWI and WWII, Germany was forbidden to make Military arms and ordnance by the Versailles Treaty.

As a gitover, shotguns built on the actions of 98K Mausers were made, and used for training as well as a utility grade shotgun. They were sold by sundry wholesalers and retailers, including Ortgies.

While not that common, these are not terribly valuable.

IIRC, these were made in 12, 20 and 410.

PetahW · September 16, 2012, 10:12 AM

Dave's nailed it.

Samey-same as the GECO bolt-action shotguns made from altering military Mauser 98 rifles.

IIRC, the bolt faces were ground flat so the rimmed shotshells would feed from the magazine, and rebarreled with a smoothbore. (mag held 1 or 2 shells ?)

FYI - 12ga = .729" ID, 20ga = .620" ID, .410 = .410" ID

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September 14, 2012, 01:09 PM	#1
Scout2 Junior Member Join Date: September 14, 2012 Posts: 4	Info required on 12 gauge shotgun have a 12 gauge shotgun I inherited from my late father-in-law and would like to know more about it. It has an emblem on the stock which I am told is an "Ortgies" emblem. Apparently it was made in Germany but I don't know when and would love to know what it would be worth. There is a link to some information. http://ortgies.net/ortgies0015.htm The emblem looks like the one on page 86 of this info but the gun in the picture looks different. Any ideas?

September 14, 2012, 08:48 PM	#5
Scout2 Junior Member Join Date: September 14, 2012 Posts: 4	another picture Sorry having trouble with second picture

September 14, 2012, 08:51 PM	#6
TheSILENTtype Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2012 Posts: 139	need a closer and clearer marking pic. you said this is a 12GA??? __________________ THE SILENT TYPE

September 15, 2012, 07:22 AM	#7
Scout2 Junior Member Join Date: September 14, 2012 Posts: 4	more info Sorry but I know very little about guns. I was told it is a 12 gauge. The barrel i.d. is over 1/2 inch. It seems I know even less about computers as the "emblem" picture from the stock refuses to upload. It looks exactly like the picture on the link I posted earlier. It appears on page 86 of the link

September 14, 2012, 02:19 PM	#2
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Pics are essential.....

September 14, 2012, 07:37 PM	#3
Samurai1981 Member Join Date: September 13, 2012 Location: New York Posts: 19	You need to add some pics of the actual shotgun so people can take a look and give their input.

September 15, 2012, 05:23 PM	#8
Goatwhiskers Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2009 Location: Batchelor, La. Posts: 579	I'd have to see some better pics but sure looks like a '98 Mauser from what I can see, wouldn't be a 12ga either. GW

September 15, 2012, 07:55 PM	#9
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Between WWI and WWII, Germany was forbidden to make Military arms and ordnance by the Versailles Treaty. As a gitover, shotguns built on the actions of 98K Mausers were made, and used for training as well as a utility grade shotgun. They were sold by sundry wholesalers and retailers, including Ortgies. While not that common, these are not terribly valuable. IIRC, these were made in 12, 20 and 410.

September 16, 2012, 10:12 AM	#10
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	Dave's nailed it. Samey-same as the GECO bolt-action shotguns made from altering military Mauser 98 rifles. IIRC, the bolt faces were ground flat so the rimmed shotshells would feed from the magazine, and rebarreled with a smoothbore. (mag held 1 or 2 shells ?) FYI - 12ga = .729" ID, 20ga = .620" ID, .410 = .410" ID .