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Apparently the regulation doesn't require them to report the multiple rifle sales to local law enforcement. Not sure how the timeline works when there isn't any underlying authorization for the actual regulation to begin with.
ETA: For those interested in the UN Small Arms Treaty, the negotiations on the draft treaty to be presented in 2012 are going on this week and NRA News is covering the negotiations. The NRA News pieces are available as podcasts through iTunes and are also on Sirius/XM radio during the NRA's Cam and Company show every day. Short version: It appears Mexico and several of the Caribbean countries are insisting that civilian firearms must be tracked from manufacture to destruction as part of this treaty. However, this appears to be a minority position at the UN currently. Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; July 13, 2011 at 10:50 AM. |
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There is a bill that would bar the use of any Federal funds to collect records of multiple long gun sales, but it's currently languishing in committee. My Senator's already signed on, but this one's worth a phone call or letter.
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Aside from treaties and executive orders, we also need to watch about environmental regulations. It might be easier for the antis to use that vehicle to eliminate ammunition, especially if they declare bullets like the all-copper Barnes bullets to be "armor piercing". Also, lead-free primers are pretty limited in their shelf-life, unlike priming mixtures that use lead compounds. Of course, we could go back to the old corrosive mixtures, but anti-lead regulations could play the devil with both the cost and availability of primers.
No ammo, and our guns are just funny clubs. So, we need to also watch these back-door attacks using environmental regulations.
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Compare and contrast these two emails I received tonight.
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On a related note, here is another attempt by the government to promote gun control:
Here is an internal ATF email regarding "Operation Fast and Furious," an ATF operation in which agents forced gun dealers to sell firearms to known straw buyers, who then transported mass quantities of firearms into Mexico for use by the drug cartels: From: Chait, Mark R.http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...te_gun_control
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Major Beef, it would help immensely if you would link your source.
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Was afraid to link to a political site, and didn't know how to best provide citation, so just left it for people to do their own search. But I fixed it.
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And as I pointed out in another thread, the announcement of this new regulation came exactly two days after the Washington Post published the names of gun dealers with traces to Mexico sales - information that could only have been obtained from ATF and that was illegal to give to the WaPo.
Not suprisingly, the top 2 dealers on that list were cooperating with Fast and Furious. At the same time ATF was ordering them to complete straw sales in violation of the law, it was also violating the law itself to set the FFLs up as the bad guys in the WaPo story. |
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Nothing like attempting to deflect the blame to the non-government participants in the illegal program.
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I knew that this thread would touch upon the actions of the "Gunwalker" scandal. But let's not make this the whole theme. It will be closed as a duplicate thread.
The democrats had a majority in both houses, when this was signed. So one should be asking why it wasn't ratified? As far as I can tell, what was lacking was the political will to ratify it (CIFTA), and go against the beliefs of the majority of the American public. |
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Al, treaty ratification requires approval by 2/'3 of the Senate. The House is not involved in treaty ratification. There were not 66/67 votes in the Senate for this treaty. It's puzzling that the WH thinks there will be in 2012.
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Of course you're correct, csmss. But only insofar as you don't count the RINO's. There were/are some few republicans that would have voted for it... 6 would've done it, I think.
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Does anyone have any new information on this? Or is this strictly going to be a border states issue or is it still unknown in scope?
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No new news. The House is voting on a bill to defund this provision. The Senate has a companion bill; but even if it makes it through the Senate, I would expect a veto.
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Thanks my patriotic friend!
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How about we sign a treaty with Mexico that prevents the BATFE & DOJ from dealing in arms and serving as an informed conspiritor to dealing in arms.
That's a treaty I could stand behind....
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Some RINO Republicans may have voted for it. The Dem theme for 2006 for Congress was to elect conservative Democrats that were almost as conservative or more conservative to gain control of Congress. It worked for a while but eventually tripped the Dems up. In 2012 I think two thirds of the Senate comes up for election. If they are foolish enough to ratify this treaty Gun Rights organizations might make for another 1994. Harry Reid is a pretty smart fellow. I am thinking that is a battle he does not want right now nor in 2012 with that big a portion of the Senate up for election and some in conservative areas.
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57 Senators sign letter saying they won't vote to ratify UN Treaty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWOwr...layer_embedded http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index...1-79f4e5b258bc
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