w231 powder?

sjones · November 8, 2006, 10:06 PM

I haven't seen any 231 listed anywhere lately,I've looked at several places online and haven't found any,what gives?I used to reload several years ago and liked it then,its for a .45acp.thanks. sj

Edward429451 · November 8, 2006, 10:17 PM

I just picked more 231 up recently here locally. ?

Must just be the tide I think. Unless the military uses 231 (I think so?) and that could explain it.

gandog56 · November 8, 2006, 10:31 PM

I just bought an 8 lb. canister from Natchez Shooting not too long ago.

clayking · November 8, 2006, 10:45 PM

I bought some a few weeks ago at my reloading store, although when I bought some clays last week at another store, i did not see any 231 on the shelf along with all the other Winchester powder. I use the 231 for 38, 9mm, and .45............ck

T-Bear · November 9, 2006, 12:33 AM

Picked up 16lbs last week. And there was plenty in stock. Might want to push your local store into speeding up there orders. As far as I know, there is no shortage of 231.

ryucasta · November 9, 2006, 11:29 AM

This is where I now buy my Powders and Primers and they have plenty of it in stock.

http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/

Ammo Junky · November 9, 2006, 07:09 PM

Hodgdons HP38 is the same powder from the same bbl. If you find it, you have found 231.

gandog56 · November 12, 2006, 12:18 AM

I've heard the above many times, but the Hodgdon manual and the Winchester propellants web page are giving me very different answers about the same bullet weight combos. For intance for a 38 special 110 grain bullet the Hodgdon manual says 4.2-5.2 grains of HP38. The Winchester site says 4.6-5.6 grains, a significant difference.

Ammo Junky · November 12, 2006, 09:17 AM

G56 it is the same powder period. I have talked to Hodgdons teck people several times. A max carge difference of .4gr can easily be understood as normal. The hp38 and w231 most likely were to different lot#s using different components in different guns with different pressuar measuaring equipment in different enviromental condidions. Also check 5 different manuals for the same bullet wt and powder. There is offten 1 to 2gr difference between them. I have cross referenced this powder in many manuals. If you want to even come close to a real comparason, find a manual that test hp38 and w231 in the same gun with the same components. They are usualy with in a couple of tents. I dont blame you for being cautious. It is the errornet. You can call hodgdons 800 number and ask to tall to their tecks If you need some reasurance. I buy the hp38 becaus I desgined my loading bench around hodgdons power jugs. If you can get it in a w231 bottel and that makes you feel better, no harm done.

btw
hs6 = w540
hs7 = w571

There are other ball powders between win and hodgdon, but I have not confirmined that with the tecks so I wont list them.

PDshooter · November 12, 2006, 07:36 PM

That's all I use in my 45......W231 5.3Gr

hodaka · November 16, 2006, 08:14 PM

Well they don't have any at Cabela's in Buda, Texas or a Sportsman's warehouse in San Antonio. Bought a pound of Unique and another of Clays to try instead. I really liked 231 for my .45's.

Toolman · November 17, 2006, 09:22 PM

W231? just bought some this week for .38spl & .357 mag.
Winchester powder is made by Hogdon now. Matter of fact, Hogdon makes IMR too.
I use 700X for .45ACP.

dogfood · November 19, 2006, 04:05 PM

Careful Toolman ... Hodgdon "makes" neither Winchester nor IMR powder. In fact, I believe the only powders in their own line that they produce are Pyrodex (an Triple 7).

The majority of Hodgdon powders were either true surplus, or made by Hodgdon by someone else ... such as Winchester or IMR or others. All of the popular Winchester and IMR powders continue to be produced at the same facilities as prior to the consolidation ... at least for the moment.

dogfood

Toolman · November 20, 2006, 05:31 PM

It was published that Hogden recently purchased the assests of IMR & Winchester powders. The product may very well be manufactured at the same facilities. I'll check to see if I saved the info & post the article.

skeeter1 · November 20, 2006, 05:40 PM

I like W231 as well for reloading .38Spls. If you can't find it locally and have to resort to an online purchase, be aware that you're going to be hit with a $20 HazMat charge on top of the usual S&H charges. I only did that once. An expensive lesson.

Toolman · November 20, 2006, 06:09 PM

Here's one of the publications I was referring to:
http://www.hodgdon.com/news/imr.php

Toolman · November 20, 2006, 06:59 PM

Here's the other publication I was referring to.
http://www.winchester.com/news/newsv...px?storyid=158

Last week I ordered my new Winchester Smokeless Propellant Reloading Guide. It came in todays mail via Hodgden. Address; Winchester Smokeless Propellant 6231 Shawnee Mission, Kansas 66202.
Product: Questions and Availability, 913-362-9455 www.wwpowder.com

dogfood · November 24, 2006, 09:02 AM

Toolman:

Your statement that Hodgdon owns the IMR facilities is correct ... although from what I can tell, Hodgdon only owns the marketing and distribution rights to Winchester powders. After all, Winchester did not own the actual production plants at the time of sale.

Anyhow, the only point I was trying to make was that Hodgdon did not have smokeless production capacity of their own prior to the acquisitions, so the IMR and Winchester products would still have to come from the same place as they did before.

dogfood

November 8, 2006, 10:06 PM	#1
sjones Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 1999 Location: waxahachie,Texas Posts: 337	w231 powder? I haven't seen any 231 listed anywhere lately,I've looked at several places online and haven't found any,what gives?I used to reload several years ago and liked it then,its for a .45acp.thanks. sj

November 8, 2006, 10:31 PM	#3
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 979	I just bought an 8 lb. canister from Natchez Shooting not too long ago. __________________ Some people think I'm paranoid because I have guns. If I have guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

November 8, 2006, 10:45 PM	#4
clayking Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 796	I bought some a few weeks ago at my reloading store, although when I bought some clays last week at another store, i did not see any 231 on the shelf along with all the other Winchester powder. I use the 231 for 38, 9mm, and .45............ck __________________ Never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

November 9, 2006, 11:29 AM	#6
ryucasta Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 431	This is where I now buy my Powders and Primers and they have plenty of it in stock. http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ __________________ Cheers, Raul Scarface/Tony Montana Says: Send me here. Send me there. This. That. Nothing you can do to me Harry, Castro didn’t do --- nothing...

November 9, 2006, 07:09 PM	#7
Ammo Junky Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: IL Posts: 537	Hodgdons HP38 is the same powder from the same bbl. If you find it, you have found 231. __________________ Will work for brass. I apologise in advance for spelling errors.

November 8, 2006, 10:17 PM	#2
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	I just picked more 231 up recently here locally. ? Must just be the tide I think. Unless the military uses 231 (I think so?) and that could explain it.

November 9, 2006, 12:33 AM	#5
T-Bear Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2005 Posts: 119	Picked up 16lbs last week. And there was plenty in stock. Might want to push your local store into speeding up there orders. As far as I know, there is no shortage of 231.

November 12, 2006, 12:18 AM	#8
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 979	I've heard the above many times, but the Hodgdon manual and the Winchester propellants web page are giving me very different answers about the same bullet weight combos. For intance for a 38 special 110 grain bullet the Hodgdon manual says 4.2-5.2 grains of HP38. The Winchester site says 4.6-5.6 grains, a significant difference. __________________ Some people think I'm paranoid because I have guns. If I have guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

November 12, 2006, 09:17 AM	#9
Ammo Junky Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: IL Posts: 537	G56 it is the same powder period. I have talked to Hodgdons teck people several times. A max carge difference of .4gr can easily be understood as normal. The hp38 and w231 most likely were to different lot#s using different components in different guns with different pressuar measuaring equipment in different enviromental condidions. Also check 5 different manuals for the same bullet wt and powder. There is offten 1 to 2gr difference between them. I have cross referenced this powder in many manuals. If you want to even come close to a real comparason, find a manual that test hp38 and w231 in the same gun with the same components. They are usualy with in a couple of tents. I dont blame you for being cautious. It is the errornet. You can call hodgdons 800 number and ask to tall to their tecks If you need some reasurance. I buy the hp38 becaus I desgined my loading bench around hodgdons power jugs. If you can get it in a w231 bottel and that makes you feel better, no harm done. btw hs6 = w540 hs7 = w571 There are other ball powders between win and hodgdon, but I have not confirmined that with the tecks so I wont list them. __________________ Will work for brass. I apologise in advance for spelling errors.

November 12, 2006, 07:36 PM	#10
PDshooter Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2000 Location: Indiana Posts: 607	That's all I use in my 45......W231 5.3Gr __________________ Life member NRA 20yrs guard . MOS 63H 11B 43E Shoot Shovel Shut-up!

November 16, 2006, 08:14 PM	#11
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,010	Well they don't have any at Cabela's in Buda, Texas or a Sportsman's warehouse in San Antonio. Bought a pound of Unique and another of Clays to try instead. I really liked 231 for my .45's.

November 17, 2006, 09:22 PM	#12
Toolman Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 514	W231? just bought some this week for .38spl & .357 mag. Winchester powder is made by Hogdon now. Matter of fact, Hogdon makes IMR too. I use 700X for .45ACP. __________________ Crime Control. NOT Gun Control.

November 19, 2006, 04:05 PM	#13
dogfood Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2004 Location: Southwestern OH Posts: 239	Careful Toolman ... Hodgdon "makes" neither Winchester nor IMR powder. In fact, I believe the only powders in their own line that they produce are Pyrodex (an Triple 7). The majority of Hodgdon powders were either true surplus, or made by Hodgdon by someone else ... such as Winchester or IMR or others. All of the popular Winchester and IMR powders continue to be produced at the same facilities as prior to the consolidation ... at least for the moment. dogfood

November 20, 2006, 05:31 PM	#14
Toolman Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 514	It was published that Hogden recently purchased the assests of IMR & Winchester powders. The product may very well be manufactured at the same facilities. I'll check to see if I saved the info & post the article. __________________ Crime Control. NOT Gun Control.

November 20, 2006, 05:40 PM	#15
skeeter1 Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2006 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 3,403	I like W231 as well for reloading .38Spls. If you can't find it locally and have to resort to an online purchase, be aware that you're going to be hit with a $20 HazMat charge on top of the usual S&H charges. I only did that once. An expensive lesson.

November 20, 2006, 06:09 PM	#16
Toolman Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 514	Here's one of the publications I was referring to: http://www.hodgdon.com/news/imr.php __________________ Crime Control. NOT Gun Control.

November 20, 2006, 06:59 PM	#17
Toolman Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 514	Here's the other publication I was referring to. http://www.winchester.com/news/newsv...px?storyid=158 Last week I ordered my new Winchester Smokeless Propellant Reloading Guide. It came in todays mail via Hodgden. Address; Winchester Smokeless Propellant 6231 Shawnee Mission, Kansas 66202. Product: Questions and Availability, 913-362-9455 www.wwpowder.com __________________ Crime Control. NOT Gun Control.

November 24, 2006, 09:02 AM	#18
dogfood Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2004 Location: Southwestern OH Posts: 239	Toolman: Your statement that Hodgdon owns the IMR facilities is correct ... although from what I can tell, Hodgdon only owns the marketing and distribution rights to Winchester powders. After all, Winchester did not own the actual production plants at the time of sale. Anyhow, the only point I was trying to make was that Hodgdon did not have smokeless production capacity of their own prior to the acquisitions, so the IMR and Winchester products would still have to come from the same place as they did before. dogfood