Pocket carry AR in 223 - Page 2

Overkill777 · January 10, 2015, 04:14 PM

It's rediculous. Just a range toy. With a barrel that short it's just going to make a big loud boom and big flash. Maybe reach velocity of a 22lr.

Yung.gunr · January 11, 2015, 10:05 PM

Honestly I feel it's kinda sad they are doing these ridiculous guns. When they first did the 9mm and .45ACP I think most people took the company serious. Now they are kind of a laughing stock.

Cheapshooter · January 11, 2015, 10:15 PM

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Honestly I feel it's kinda sad they are doing these ridiculous guns. When they first did the 9mm and .45ACP I think most people took the company serious. Now they are kind of a laughing stock.

Agreed. In fact I thought a two shot anything not all that much smaller in size and weight than a magazine fed semi-auto of the same caliber was kinda silly.

peggysue · January 12, 2015, 05:39 AM

"Agreed. In fact I thought a two shot anything not all that much smaller in size and weight than a magazine fed semi-auto of the same caliber was kinda silly." Cheapshot

The Heizer mentioned in this thread is actually only a ONE shot derringer. they have never made a 2 shot derringer. http://www.heizerdefense.com/

History of the Double Tap VS Heizer lawsuit. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...letap-defense/

Cheapshooter · January 12, 2015, 11:19 AM

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The Heizer mentioned in this thread is actually only a ONE shot derringer. they have never made a 2 shot derringer.

Just answering this post

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Honestly I feel it's kinda sad they are doing these ridiculous guns. When they first did the 9mm and .45ACP I think most people took the company serious. Now they are kind of a laughing stock.

With my opinion.

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Agreed. In fact I thought a two shot anything not all that much smaller in size and weight than a magazine fed semi-auto of the same caliber was kinda silly.

Glenn E. Meyer · January 12, 2015, 11:27 AM

Wait for the 50 BMG version.

If you want more that one shot - strap two of them togehter - like that double slide 45.

There is one gun rag that has the ultimate stopper on every issue's cover.

Cheapshooter · January 12, 2015, 11:34 AM

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Wait for the 50 BMG version.

If you want more that one shot - strap two of them togehter - like that double slide 45.

There is one gun rag that has the ultimate stopper on every issue's cover.

Plus if they made the 50 BMG model with a curved frame, it would fit my curve!

Yung.gunr · January 12, 2015, 05:46 PM

Oh, I didn't know they were two different companies. I remember a couple years ago when they came out it was a Heizer Double Tap. I had no interest in it so paid no attention to further business dealings in which it looks like the partnership broke up.

At any rate the double barreled 9mm & .45 looked interesting but there was no way I was gonna pay for one. The .223 and what nonsense are just that, nonsense (IMO).

Model12Win · January 28, 2015, 05:23 PM

I e-mailed Heizer defense, or whatever the company was that made the two-shot 9mm and .45, and told them I was thrilled that a St. Louis company was making guns, as I am from the area. I also asked about the MSRP of the pistol, asking why it was what it was (north of $550 at the time) and wondering if it would come down. This was roughly a year ago.

The response I got from the company was truly a hateful one.

They pretty much told me to go suck an egg and that their products were too good for me, that I didn't "get it" and the person that answered my e-mail came across as hyper-defensive and possibly paranoid, as if he knew that "this is what they all think".

Well, believe you me, they can keep their awful little gimmick pistols. Won't break my heart!

Cheapshooter · January 28, 2015, 06:15 PM

Hezier Defense, Double Tap, A real soap opera in the gun industry with claims of non performance in production, and stolen designs.
Basically, a useless design by which ever of the two make it. Especially the 223 version. But the 9MM, 45acp are equally useless. Larger, and heavier than many semi autos, but a capacity limited to two rounds.
Your e-mail response is proof that what they lack in product is only exceeded in what they lack in class!

peggysue · January 30, 2015, 05:30 PM

That curve would fit in you better CS

Cheapshooter · January 30, 2015, 05:37 PM

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That curve wo7uld fit in you better CS

To fit my curve it would have to be chambered in 50 BMG!

Gunkooker55 · February 27, 2015, 05:27 AM

No disrespect to you ment but I feel the idea of pocket carry 223 is kinda nuts lol didn't American derringer make those in 223. 308 44 mag ?

Double Naught Spy · February 27, 2015, 08:39 AM

So am I to understand that anything that shoots a .223 is now an AR?

That is more stupid than how the media and such often misidentify weapons.

Maybe they meant it to be a pirate gun and left off the extra Rs in the quote. It is a single shot, after all.

The "Pocket Arrr!" (said in pirate-speak, note alternative spelling of "Argh" is also acceptable)

Skans · February 27, 2015, 09:00 AM

What if you were to hand load the .223 for a super fast burning powder...or black powder?

simonrichter · February 27, 2015, 02:24 PM

to begin with: Doesn't "AR" stand for "Automatic Rifle"?

I can see neither rifle characteristics nor any automatic function in this piece...

The only (somewhat) reasonable use I could imagine for this pistol would be having a small handgun that uses the same ammunition as your main platform... Still, a small .22lr PLUS ammo would weight about the same and be more effective...

Skans · February 27, 2015, 03:46 PM

I kind of want one.

livingintx · February 27, 2015, 04:18 PM

"Velocity drops rapidly as the barrel length decreases, especially below 10 inches where the velocity drops below 2,500 fps. M855 bullets traveling below 2,500 fps when impacting a target will not produce a lethal wound channel."

BARREL LENGTH STUDIES IN 5.56MM NATO WEAPONS

I'm sure it would still at least hurt out of such a short barrel.. Looking at this study I suspect there would be a lot of flash and noise as well...and the chamber pressure would be horrendous. It's just my guess though.

JN01 · February 27, 2015, 04:38 PM

I think it would make a nice back up piece to a USFA Zip gun.

michael t · February 27, 2015, 06:33 PM

Great pistol for that X -wife

A 1 shot flame thrower

January 12, 2015, 11:27 AM	#31
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Wait for the 50 BMG version. If you want more that one shot - strap two of them togehter - like that double slide 45. There is one gun rag that has the ultimate stopper on every issue's cover. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

January 28, 2015, 06:15 PM	#35
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Hezier Defense, Double Tap, A real soap opera in the gun industry with claims of non performance in production, and stolen designs. Basically, a useless design by which ever of the two make it. Especially the 223 version. But the 9MM, 45acp are equally useless. Larger, and heavier than many semi autos, but a capacity limited to two rounds. Your e-mail response is proof that what they lack in product is only exceeded in what they lack in class! __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

January 30, 2015, 05:30 PM	#36
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	That curve would fit in you better CS Last edited by peggysue; January 30, 2015 at 06:36 PM.

February 27, 2015, 08:39 AM	#39
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	So am I to understand that anything that shoots a .223 is now an AR? That is more stupid than how the media and such often misidentify weapons. Maybe they meant it to be a pirate gun and left off the extra Rs in the quote. It is a single shot, after all. The "Pocket Arrr!" (said in pirate-speak, note alternative spelling of "Argh" is also acceptable) __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

February 27, 2015, 02:24 PM	#41
simonrichter Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 758	to begin with: Doesn't "AR" stand for "Automatic Rifle"? I can see neither rifle characteristics nor any automatic function in this piece... The only (somewhat) reasonable use I could imagine for this pistol would be having a small handgun that uses the same ammunition as your main platform... Still, a small .22lr PLUS ammo would weight about the same and be more effective... __________________ "Get off of my lawn!" Walt Kowalski . ISSC PAR .223

January 10, 2015, 04:14 PM	#26
Overkill777 Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2015 Posts: 267	It's rediculous. Just a range toy. With a barrel that short it's just going to make a big loud boom and big flash. Maybe reach velocity of a 22lr.

January 11, 2015, 10:05 PM	#27
Yung.gunr Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2010 Location: Phoenix area Posts: 1,442	Honestly I feel it's kinda sad they are doing these ridiculous guns. When they first did the 9mm and .45ACP I think most people took the company serious. Now they are kind of a laughing stock.

January 12, 2015, 05:39 AM	#29
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	"Agreed. In fact I thought a two shot anything not all that much smaller in size and weight than a magazine fed semi-auto of the same caliber was kinda silly." Cheapshot The Heizer mentioned in this thread is actually only a ONE shot derringer. they have never made a 2 shot derringer. http://www.heizerdefense.com/ History of the Double Tap VS Heizer lawsuit. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...letap-defense/

January 12, 2015, 05:46 PM	#33
Yung.gunr Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2010 Location: Phoenix area Posts: 1,442	Oh, I didn't know they were two different companies. I remember a couple years ago when they came out it was a Heizer Double Tap. I had no interest in it so paid no attention to further business dealings in which it looks like the partnership broke up. At any rate the double barreled 9mm & .45 looked interesting but there was no way I was gonna pay for one. The .223 and what nonsense are just that, nonsense (IMO).

January 28, 2015, 05:23 PM	#34
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	I e-mailed Heizer defense, or whatever the company was that made the two-shot 9mm and .45, and told them I was thrilled that a St. Louis company was making guns, as I am from the area. I also asked about the MSRP of the pistol, asking why it was what it was (north of $550 at the time) and wondering if it would come down. This was roughly a year ago. The response I got from the company was truly a hateful one. They pretty much told me to go suck an egg and that their products were too good for me, that I didn't "get it" and the person that answered my e-mail came across as hyper-defensive and possibly paranoid, as if he knew that "this is what they all think". Well, believe you me, they can keep their awful little gimmick pistols. Won't break my heart!

February 27, 2015, 05:27 AM	#38
Gunkooker55 Member Join Date: January 29, 2015 Location: Geauga co Ohio Posts: 29	No disrespect to you ment but I feel the idea of pocket carry 223 is kinda nuts lol didn't American derringer make those in 223. 308 44 mag ?

February 27, 2015, 09:00 AM	#40
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	What if you were to hand load the .223 for a super fast burning powder...or black powder?

February 27, 2015, 03:46 PM	#42
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	I kind of want one.

February 27, 2015, 04:18 PM	#43
livingintx Member Join Date: January 21, 2015 Posts: 33	"Velocity drops rapidly as the barrel length decreases, especially below 10 inches where the velocity drops below 2,500 fps. M855 bullets traveling below 2,500 fps when impacting a target will not produce a lethal wound channel." BARREL LENGTH STUDIES IN 5.56MM NATO WEAPONS I'm sure it would still at least hurt out of such a short barrel.. Looking at this study I suspect there would be a lot of flash and noise as well...and the chamber pressure would be horrendous. It's just my guess though.

February 27, 2015, 04:38 PM	#44
JN01 Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2005 Location: E Tennessee Posts: 828	I think it would make a nice back up piece to a USFA Zip gun.

February 27, 2015, 06:33 PM	#45
michael t Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Location: Out back Ky Posts: 4,044	Great pistol for that X -wife A 1 shot flame thrower __________________ Certified Armed Infidel Colt Defender ,Colt Mustang ,Dan Wesson CBOB, PPK/S, American Classic 1911,Bersa Thunder 380 http://bersachat.comHome of Bersa http://www.metroarms1911forum.com