October 13, 2010, 03:17 PM | #1 |
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Mystery Bayonet
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One of my neighbors is interested in selling a bayonet that he inherited. I got roped into the deal, and I'm trying to find out what it is and what it is worth. He says that it is a WWII era dress bayonet, but I can't find anything like it in Google searches. The scabbard seems to be steel painted black with a leather cuff on the extension behind the handle (pardon my lack of terminology). The blade and all the metal hardware seem to be plated in chrome or nickle. The blade itself is 11.75-inches from the point to the hilt. It has some scarring along the front edge from some long-forgotten childhood sword fight. The wood scales are brownish with a heavier grain - perhaps a walnut or rosewood?... There is some corrosion to the plating on the hilt, and a little rust, but I'd say that it's at least 90% still. The latch button for securing it to the lug on the rifle seems to be intact and functional. It has markings on either side of the blade just above the hilt. The markings appear to read "US" on one side and "08" on the other. Any help would be much appreciated. My neighbor is pretty sure it's some kind of treasure. I'm not feeling so hopeful. So what say you? Trash or treasure? I'm kind of looking forward to washing my hands of this particular (and peculiar) project. Thanks in advance! |
October 13, 2010, 03:26 PM | #2 |
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EVYL... probably better if moved to the C&R section ???
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October 13, 2010, 03:35 PM | #3 |
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Looks like an M1905 to me. Perhaps others more knowledgeable will join in soon and confirm.
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October 13, 2010, 03:46 PM | #4 |
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I found this site...looks like maybe a dress version of the 1892 Krag-Jorg.
http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/uskrag1.htm |
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Can't see the pics, but I will try...
When I'm not collecting guns, I collect bayonets, knives and military antiques. I'm unable to see the pics from this pc, but here goes...
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Only RIA and Springfield made Models of 1905 here is my SA Model of 1905 bayonet, made in 1919, with a WWII scabbard: that bayonet pictured by Evyl Robot is definitely not trash. But look at the scabbard- that frog is not the USGI WWII type. It's earlier The bayonet in question appears to be a US M1892 (or 1895? I'm not a Krag expert) Krag Jorgensen Bayonet, although I believe they didn't use the term "M1892" at all, it was "Model of 1892". Compare to this: http://ddbladeresearch.com/ Looks like a Krag to me, check the sample pages. plating bayonets and scabbard throats was common for parade equipment Last edited by Chris_B; October 13, 2010 at 05:37 PM. |
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October 13, 2010, 09:33 PM | #7 |
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Krag bayonet.
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October 13, 2010, 09:52 PM | #8 |
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sure looks like a krag to me, but the markings are wrong the dates only went to 1902 and appear as the full 4 digit. i can't make out what is stamped on the other side.
just my 2c
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October 13, 2010, 10:17 PM | #9 |
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The bayonet and sheath are correct for the U.S. Krag. It appears somebody polished the ever-lovin dickins out of that blade. It's also likely the numbers, if intact, would read "1898."
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October 13, 2010, 10:38 PM | #11 |
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Not to be a nitpicker (although I am), the blade is stamped "U.S." not "U.S.A."
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October 14, 2010, 12:02 AM | #12 |
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It is a Krag bayonet, technically the Model of 1892. After WWI, the Krag was long out of service, and the rifles were sold off for as little as $2.50 and the bayonets for $.50, with scabbard. Many rifles and bayonets were bought for high school and college color guards, drill teams, and the like, and quite a few were fancied up with chrome or nickel plating (usually chrome - nickel was more costly).
That is one such bayonet. Once there was probably a Krag rifle with its metal parts plated to match, a really snazzy outfit any color guard member would be proud of. Jim |
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Since I've got it here in person, I would agree that somebody polished the snot out of it at some point in time. What appears to me as an "08" is a little iffy, and could very easily be the remainder of what was originally "1898". It's definitely plated in something, as it has fingerprints all the heck over it that would have converted themselves into rust spots if it were carbon in the white. I believe I'll return it to my neighbor and tell him that it's an interesting piece, but I can't help him get any real money out of it. Unless anyone has anything else to add, I'm going to call this one case closed. Thanks to all of you for the usual, expert advice!
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Whoever plated that bayonet destroyed the collector value. It is an interesting relic of an era when it was considered OK to allow color guards and the like to have real guns and real bayonets. Now, it is considered politically incorrect to even pretend to guard the flag and color guards just march along. Soon, I am sure, any display of the flag in schools will be banned by politicians who hate the flag and the nation and who support terrorism and dictatorship.
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December 13, 2010, 08:38 PM | #15 |
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Plated Bayonet
USMA (West Point ) used the plated dress bayonets from the time they turned in their Rod Bayonet 03's . They used them on theon the )3's and the M1s up until the M1s were replaced by the M14. They were shorter than the 1905 Bayonet and balanced a little better and looked better than than the longer 1905 .
West Points blades were done at RIA and are expertly done with the US and four didgit date being quite crip.Quality wood grips were added with a screw type bolster. |
December 13, 2010, 11:39 PM | #16 |
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The bayonet was plated while disassembled, indicating factory/arsenal plating.
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