M14HDW.US Rogue Bullpup M14

[Jason_G]

If they print the same, I'll be a convert. Otherwise, I'll still believe there's a cost to accuracy.

I'm betting that it is pretty accurate if the action is mechanically bedded (vised in). The barrel looks free floated, and the optics aren't on the barrel or receiver in any way. I imagine the only thing that would hurt accuracy in the new chassis is if the bedding is not as tight as it was in the McMillan. But, I'm looking at it from my armchair just like you, so who knows.

Jason

[SR420]

Jason, you are correct - the action is mechanically bedded and the barrel is free floated - the design is functional.



Want/Need:

I look at it this way, anyone that doesn't currently own a CQB, compact battle rifle "needs" one.

[Jo6pak]

That mod is not my type of thing.
I prefer that bullpups be built from the ground up in that configuration. I don't like many of the bullpup conversions.

But hey, that's why they make so many different guns, we all have different tastes.

[FrosSsT]

.......that thing is ugly enough to make an AK cry

[tobnpr]

I'd still be interested in seeing some groups from the rifle in the McMillan, compared to the bullpup chassis.

[johnwilliamson062]

Glad you like it, but I will continue my search for a bullpup in a rifle caliber that I can stomach. All told, that set-up would set me back a fortune for one thing.

[SR420]

There is nothing cheap in the M14 world, best of luck with with your quest.

[tobnpr]

All told, that set-up would set me back a fortune for one thing.

Apples and oranges, but it's still a lot less coin than a DTA SRS...

[Jason_G]

Range report?

Thing is so ugly I'd beat it with a broom if it came in the house, but I do want to see some groups with it. I bet it shoots the lights out.

Jason

[SR420]

April 19, 2005 - - gray:

Not sure why others have not tried to fiddle with the design;
The Israeli's copied AWC's design; in fact, AWC made 100 for them,
then they just copied the design and made their own.

With the suppressor, it is a very compact system, and not tail-heavy
with the suppressor attached.
Apparently, it is technically very challenging to get a gas operated gun
to function properly with and without the suppressor; ie) for both conditions.

The AWC bullpup has a gas valve to adjust the amount of gas going through the port in order that it will cycle with and without the suppressor.

Overall, it's weight is not more than a standard M1A, just that it
is concentrated further back; takes a little getting used to is all.

My goal is to take it to a M14/M1A expert gunsmith, if I can find one,
to have him go over it to see if he can improve on the reliability and
accuracy.
I would consider fluting the Kreiger heavy barrel; that would lighten it up
some and help with cooling a tad, maybe open up the chamber a tiny bit,
or even flute it like on H&K's in order to ease extraction. More important
on the battlefield where you are more likely to run into cases of varying dimentions.

One thing I forgot; the scope is mounted relatively high which makes
the cheek weld a bit higher than normal; that could also affect accuracy
as one would have to relearn the natural cheek weld we all have learned
from shooting most other weapons. Again, something that can be learned.

The main advantage to this weapon system is it's compactness; which
is the reason for the existence for all Bullpups.

g

Gray,

I don't know if you are still here on the forum, but you need
to check out the M14HDW.US Rogue if you are still here.

[Jason_G]

Will that setup pictured above cycle with subsonic?

Jason

[SR420]

Jason_G
Will that setup pictured above cycle with subsonic?

I don't know of any M14 that cycles subsonic ammo... no.

[Jason_G]

I don't know of any M14 that cycles subsonic ammo... no.

Oh. I'm not a suppressor guy, so I wouldn't know.


Jason

[SR420]

Jason_G

Oh. I'm not a suppressor guy

I know it's off topic a bit, but I wish I had become a suppressor guy long before I had.

My advice to all enthusiasts is to (if at all possible) suppress your primary weapon.
You will not regret investing in a suppressor. The one and only suppressor that I own is used on my M14s, 7.62x39 AKM and 5.56mm Daewoo.

No regrets - big grins.

[kozak6]

That's one futuristic looking space gun. It looks like it would be just the ticket for hunting down xenomorphs or the bugs in Starship Troopers.

[SR420]

I would like to see the M14 Bullpup in Avatar II

[HKFan9]

$1350 dollars for that thing? I am sorry but it seems like a waste of cash, I would have bought another rifle... or handgun... or ammo.

If your happy with it however, its more power to you, its your money.

[SR420]

Give me a break HKFan9! Do you say similar things to the guy that buys a Rolls, Ferrari, Porsche etc...?
Do you tell them it seems like a waste of cash and that they could have bought another car, motorcycle or a rickshaw coolie?

[Eghad]

I could see application for a compact rifle in .308 plus it would be pretty handy to haul around.

[SR420]

I carry it around in a 29" Blackhawk discreet case.

[SR420]

5 shots of 168gr AMAX were fired at each target @ 100 yards from the same National Match M1A.

The target on the left utilized the Rogue bullpup stock, the target on the right utilized a bedded McMillan stock.



1" measured from outside edge to outside edge.
Gunny Hamler SNCO IC USMC shooting team - retired.

[Jason_G]

Well, we know Gunny ain't no slouch.

I expected the bullpup config to shoot better than the traditional McMillan setup, though. Especially since the barrel doesn't touch the chassis, and the optics don't attach to the barreled action in any way. Still good though.

Jason

[Eghad]

Gunny's shooting makes the bullpup look like a good option to me. Plus the compactness makes it easy to haul around discreetly. Im sold on the idea.

Might even make a good scout type rifle

[HKFan9]

Give me a break HKFan9! Do you say similar things to the guy that buys a Rolls, Ferrari, Porsche etc...?

Yes.... because those cars never did anything for me. Even the Lambo Gallardo I was allowed to drive once.

I would love an Aston Martin however.

I am not flaming you... buy what makes you happy brother. Just definitely not my cup of tea. I don't even like the Loaded models with the stainless barrels and the synthetic stocks.... just doesn't look or feel like an M1A to me.

For that money... I would have probably invested in a nice shooter Springfield 1903... I have been drooling for a long time for one. Just can't really justify it at the moment, have other more important gun needs.

[SR420]

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