.30-06 loads

MR-7-45 · October 5, 2005, 03:16 PM

I have a Marlin MR-7 in .30-06. I have been using Speer 180 gr Spitzer Boat Tail loaded with 55 gr IMR 4350.

I have used it for hunting hogs in south Texas. It is a good stopper but beats the heck out of my shoulder. I have some 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips. What would be a good load for these bullets or would you use them at all? I want fast and flat with a little less recoil.

Would 150gr be better? I have 150gr Speer Spitzer Boat Tails in a .308 Win(M1A/M14) that shoot pretty good and seem to take down the hogs well.

Advice?

rwilson452 · October 5, 2005, 11:10 PM

The hog will not know the difference. depending on the powder charge you might. I would think that the 125 might be a little light but not much. depends on the hogs you shoot.

armedandsafe · October 5, 2005, 11:18 PM

I've not found the 125s stable enough for much distance (over 150 yds.) Of course, the hogs are probably a bigger target than what I was using them for.

I have used the 180gr GameKings since '48 and love them. When I want a lighter bullet for chucks, coyotes and such, I go with the 168s or 150s.

Pops

Smokey Joe · October 6, 2005, 03:34 AM

Mr7-45--Sounds like you're trying to get by without the use of a loading manual. If I'm wrong please forgive me.

If I'm right, please get yourself The ABC's of Reloading, 7th edition (Krause Publications, www.krause.com ) and a good loading manual. I like Lyman's 48th edition, but the Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Nosler manuals are good too. And I probably missed a couple.

Having bought the above, read them.

Loads published in a manual are very likely to be safe. Any yahoo can put any old thing out on the internet, with no testing at all. Forgive me, other TFL'ers, but most reloaders don't have a staff of PhD engineers testing their concoctions. I know I don't.

On re-reading the above, it comes across as flames. Such is not my intent. Reloading is a safe and rewarding pursuit. Let's keep it that way.

rwilson452 · October 6, 2005, 05:05 AM

If the recoil of the '06 bothers you, get a recoil pad. I use one when I do load development.

MR-7-45 · October 6, 2005, 05:57 AM

Smokey Joe,

I have a number of reloading manuals including Lyman's 47th and some older Speer, Nosler and Sierra. Also I have a couple versions of the ABC's of Reloading. I even have a copy of Watter's Pet Loads (old).

I was sincerely trying to get some real experience opinions on the lighter bullets not having used them. I guess I didn't post a very good question.

Armedandsafe, what do you mean by stability problems with the 125's?

Smokey Joe · October 6, 2005, 10:45 AM

Mr-7-45--Glad to learn of it! Wish that I could help you with the light bullets--my experience does not go in that direction.

Rodger Peterson · October 6, 2005, 10:02 PM

Last winter I picked up some light bullets to experiment with. Here are my notes. Seemed to me accuracy wasn't that bad, but I gave up on them as I didn't want to mess with my scope.

30-06 Springfield

Case Remmington
Primer WLR
Powder 748 52.0 Grains
Bullet Speer 130 Grain Hollowpoint #2005
Over All Length 3.060
No Crimp

Chronograph Results
shoots about 2” high

70 Degrees
1. 2886 fps
2. 2916 fps
3. 2911 fps
4. 2928 fps

2911 fps Average
41.91 Extreme Spread
17.66 Standard Deviation

MR-7-45 · October 7, 2005, 06:59 AM

Rodger, good data but what does

Quote:

41.91 Extreme Spread
17.66 Standard Deviation

mean?

Rodger Peterson · October 7, 2005, 07:41 PM

Extreme spread represents the difference of the fastest and slowest round.
Standard deviation is a more complicated math equation which represents a deviation from a mean. The smaller the deviation of the rounds, the more uniform the lot of ammunition you have produced.

October 5, 2005, 03:16 PM	#1
MR-7-45 Member Join Date: October 4, 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 70	.30-06 loads I have a Marlin MR-7 in .30-06. I have been using Speer 180 gr Spitzer Boat Tail loaded with 55 gr IMR 4350. I have used it for hunting hogs in south Texas. It is a good stopper but beats the heck out of my shoulder. I have some 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips. What would be a good load for these bullets or would you use them at all? I want fast and flat with a little less recoil. Would 150gr be better? I have 150gr Speer Spitzer Boat Tails in a .308 Win(M1A/M14) that shoot pretty good and seem to take down the hogs well. Advice?

October 5, 2005, 11:18 PM	#3
armedandsafe Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2005 Location: Moses Lake WA Posts: 1,001	I've not found the 125s stable enough for much distance (over 150 yds.) Of course, the hogs are probably a bigger target than what I was using them for. I have used the 180gr GameKings since '48 and love them. When I want a lighter bullet for chucks, coyotes and such, I go with the 168s or 150s. Pops __________________ Armed and Safe: Not just a theory If it time to bury them, it is time to dig them up. Remember, "Behind every blade of grass."

October 6, 2005, 03:34 AM	#4
Smokey Joe Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2001 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 2,106	Get a manual! Mr7-45--Sounds like you're trying to get by without the use of a loading manual. If I'm wrong please forgive me. If I'm right, please get yourself The ABC's of Reloading, 7th edition (Krause Publications, www.krause.com ) and a good loading manual. I like Lyman's 48th edition, but the Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Nosler manuals are good too. And I probably missed a couple. Having bought the above, read them. Loads published in a manual are very likely to be safe. Any yahoo can put any old thing out on the internet, with no testing at all. Forgive me, other TFL'ers, but most reloaders don't have a staff of PhD engineers testing their concoctions. I know I don't. On re-reading the above, it comes across as flames. Such is not my intent. Reloading is a safe and rewarding pursuit. Let's keep it that way. __________________ God Bless America --Smokey Joe Last edited by Smokey Joe; October 6, 2005 at 03:36 AM. Reason: The usual--had another thought.

October 6, 2005, 05:05 AM	#5
rwilson452 Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2004 Location: Tioga co. PA Posts: 2,647	recoil If the recoil of the '06 bothers you, get a recoil pad. I use one when I do load development.

October 6, 2005, 10:45 AM	#7
Smokey Joe Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2001 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 2,106	No probbie then! Mr-7-45--Glad to learn of it! Wish that I could help you with the light bullets--my experience does not go in that direction. __________________ God Bless America --Smokey Joe

October 5, 2005, 11:10 PM	#2
rwilson452 Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2004 Location: Tioga co. PA Posts: 2,647	180 vs 150 The hog will not know the difference. depending on the powder charge you might. I would think that the 125 might be a little light but not much. depends on the hogs you shoot.

October 6, 2005, 05:57 AM	#6
MR-7-45 Member Join Date: October 4, 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 70	Smokey Joe, I have a number of reloading manuals including Lyman's 47th and some older Speer, Nosler and Sierra. Also I have a couple versions of the ABC's of Reloading. I even have a copy of Watter's Pet Loads (old). I was sincerely trying to get some real experience opinions on the lighter bullets not having used them. I guess I didn't post a very good question. Armedandsafe, what do you mean by stability problems with the 125's?

October 6, 2005, 10:02 PM	#8
Rodger Peterson Member Join Date: December 18, 2004 Location: Nevada Posts: 93	Last winter I picked up some light bullets to experiment with. Here are my notes. Seemed to me accuracy wasn't that bad, but I gave up on them as I didn't want to mess with my scope. 30-06 Springfield Case Remmington Primer WLR Powder 748 52.0 Grains Bullet Speer 130 Grain Hollowpoint #2005 Over All Length 3.060 No Crimp Chronograph Results shoots about 2” high 70 Degrees 1. 2886 fps 2. 2916 fps 3. 2911 fps 4. 2928 fps 2911 fps Average 41.91 Extreme Spread 17.66 Standard Deviation

October 7, 2005, 07:41 PM	#10
Rodger Peterson Member Join Date: December 18, 2004 Location: Nevada Posts: 93	Extreme spread represents the difference of the fastest and slowest round. Standard deviation is a more complicated math equation which represents a deviation from a mean. The smaller the deviation of the rounds, the more uniform the lot of ammunition you have produced.