My My, Some People Are Wasteful

gandog56 · June 29, 2008, 12:10 PM

My last range trip I was on the Pistol section. When I looked down at the ground imagine my shock when I saw the ground was littered with BIG cartridge cases. I ended up scooping up 54 .454 Casull, 48 .45 Colt, and 102 .44 magnum cases. The funny thing is, I own all three calibers, but didn't bring one of them this trip. There were probably a lot more, but even big cases are hard to find in grass and gravel.

Wish I could afford to buy storebought rounds and just toss them......still wouldn't do it, but it would be nice if I could afford to.

Hawg · June 29, 2008, 12:13 PM

Some people can afford to shoot like that. Just thank your lucky star you were the one to find them.

tplumeri · June 29, 2008, 12:29 PM

At my range you have to pick up your cases. take em home or toss em in one of the five plastic buckets for others to use.
all "members" have access to the brass, first come......
works out pretty good.

Ozzieman · June 29, 2008, 01:51 PM

Good for you,,,, but.
Look for pressure signs.
Our range also requires you to pick up your own brass.
There are a lot of times when I shoot my Contender in 44 mag that I use new brass and its one gun that I load to earth shattering pressures, were talking above book numbers. I know the loads and I know the gun and I feel safe doing this,,, BUT I do it with new and only use them once then throw them away.
I throw them away at the range so that I don’t accidentally get them home and reload them again.
The good thing about your find is that any one that reloads would not be that lazy to just let them lie.
My guess is that you have range pig droppings,,, good for you.

tplumeri · June 29, 2008, 04:10 PM

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range pig droppings

?????

GP100man · June 29, 2008, 07:32 PM

i`ll have to carry some disposable gloves next time i go to the range , for as sure as i breath i`ll find sumtin in the cans or on the ground!!!!!!

GP100man

Hook686 · June 29, 2008, 07:34 PM

How do you determine how many times they have been reload, fired, trimmed ?

Crosshair · June 29, 2008, 11:23 PM

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How do you determine how many times they have been reload, fired, trimmed ?

Generally, most factory rounds have a brass colored primer. Most primers for reloading are silver. Remington primers are brass colored so this rule isn't 100%.

As for the other stuff. Basic brass inspection will reveal any problems. Handgun brass cracks at the case mouth when it wears out and isn't too much of a problem. Rifle brass needs a little more inspection. Just check for case head separation, that is the most important thing to do. I have had to remove a few busted off cases from my .223 die before so I really try to inspect my brass.

I pick up everything and inspect it at home.

amamnn · June 30, 2008, 03:51 PM

Me, I pick up all my brass and recycle it after I figure it is about done for. I shoot with a few people who leave it on the ground when they figure it's about done for. I also have a friend who regularly picks up range brass. He's had a lot of failures. (to me more than 2 is a lot) You can check rifle brass easily for incipient head septation, but as far as I know there is no reliable test for handgun case split.

crowbeaner · June 30, 2008, 09:04 PM

AW c'mon; you know that factory ammo has some kind of primer sealant so look at the primers! If they have the red or black sealant on the primer then they probably are once fired. Face it, if the guy/gal has the money to buy one or more of those handcannons, then he/she has the money to buy new stuff. Too bad they don't know about handloading; they will be posting here soon enough wanting all the dope on how to reload those shells, and we all get the chance to fill their skull full of mush with all our expertise!

bhannah · June 30, 2008, 09:22 PM

Funny how you never find 22-250 brass at the range.... should have gotten that .223 lol......

mikenbarb · June 30, 2008, 10:11 PM

Where I shoot, They fill up 55 gal. drums and sell it as scrap.

Im in the works of buying it from the guy and will see what pans out. I will have LOTS of brass if it works out.

Ozzieman · July 1, 2008, 06:15 PM

Come on guys you have to know what range pig droppings are.

You know the type.
They go to the range and rut around and let crap lie all over the place.
Parts of targets, pop bottles and brass.
RANGE PIG DROPPINGS.:barf:
You can’t miss them. They take up two or more benches. Bother you with dumb questions when you’re trying to sight in a gun. Set down at their gun and start playing with it while others are down range fixing targets when the flag is down.
Range pigs.
They wait until every one is done fixing there targets and are seconds from opening the range and “Oh wait, I got to change my targets!” Then takes time to go back to the truck and get more.
I’m sure you have all met range pigs at one time or another.

CPTMurdoc30 · July 1, 2008, 06:49 PM

It is only the jerks shooting thousands upon thousands of 7.62x39 or 223 wolf ammo that really leave any on my range. It drives me up the wall too as I am the one who goes out and spends 8 hours on the range and only gets to shoot for 2 of them. Range pigs are wortless and piss me the he() off. I do luck out and get some 9mm or 40smtih brass every now and then.

Peter M. Eick · July 1, 2008, 07:44 PM

You should come to my range here in Houston.

We commonly will have brass piled a few inches deep after a long weekend. There is so much brass out there I have trouble sorting mine from all of the rest. If you have never been to a big public range like ASC it is really hard to appreciate how much brass gets flung out there by the public.

GP100man · July 1, 2008, 08:45 PM

yep been there seen that, i sit & watch a few min before breakin out the gear if any pigs around & especially if he fiddles with firearms while the range is cold i just mosy around in the shop a few , if they are still there i go to da house!!!

GP100man

Lavid2002 · July 1, 2008, 08:48 PM

Am I rich enough to do that? No...but I used to before I knew to reload!
now I scope for em!
:P
Mr I shoot synder blocks and like it when gun go bang proboably doesnt even know about reloading. Thanks for the fresh .223! :P

mikenbarb · July 1, 2008, 09:20 PM

Not the range I shoot at. Most cases on the ground and in cans are once fired brass from all caliber guns. Dont know why, But most shooters are hunters here and very few of them reload

. Its proably because of limited access to components at sport shops in North Jersey. I Havnt seen a can of powder or a box of bullets in about 20 years in the stores I shop at(all in the area). Im glad to find what I find and I hope they just keep on shooting and leave it on the ground for me. My kids get a kick out of going around after it closes(with owners permission) and picking up the cases on the ground. Most of them are gotten by the range officers first but sometimes we beat them to it and they dont make it into their scrap barrels

. I tell them to get the long ones first then go for the short ones and put them in seperate pails.

Ed the Rangerat · July 1, 2008, 10:24 PM

Where I shoot rifle and pistol you are only allowed to pick up your own brass. They will yell at you on the PA if they see you picking up other than your own. Yelled at a regular on my last visit. There is brass laying all over the place.

Darren007 · July 2, 2008, 02:15 AM

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Where I shoot rifle and pistol you are only allowed to pick up your own brass.

Thats the way it is at every range I've been to. If you start digging through the buckets they get mad. When asked, I was told that they have a contract with some guy/company to come and pick up the brass and recycle it, so it "wouldnt be fair to him"...

You guys complaining about people fiddling with their guns while the range is cold....I cant believe thats even allowed. I have yet to go to a range that will allow this. The ones I've been to...if you touch your guns during target change/ "cold range"...your promptly escorted out of the range.

That sucks big time for you guys!!!

Crosshair · July 2, 2008, 11:33 PM

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You guys complaining about people fiddling with their guns while the range is cold....I cant believe thats even allowed. I have yet to go to a range that will allow this. The ones I've been to...if you touch your guns during target change/ "cold range"...your promptly escorted out of the range.

I have yet to be to a range that DOESN'T allow this. Rules like that sound rather anal retentive to me. Action open is the only rules at the range I go to and that is only if there is someone else there shooting.

BntBrl · July 3, 2008, 12:27 AM

My range is action opened, and behind the line, unless you are going to post/take down a target. I can see where it may make it more safe to walk down range and post. Maybe someone will not see or pay attention tothe cease fire and start shooting or something.

The range I go to calls 5 minutes to cease fire. Then 1 minute to cease fire (use this time to unload and open your action, shoot your last round) and get behind the red lines.

Then the RM walks down and makes sure the actions are all open on all the firearms and calls clear you may proceed to post/take down targets. When everyones done the field is walked down and made sure its clear and calls the line is hot. I am not sure if they will kick us out for touching something but they will yell at you to get behind the line unless you are out posting.

I dont mind following the rules. The only thing that bugs me is deer in the field that we have to call a cease fire to clear the deer.

Darren007 · July 3, 2008, 03:15 AM

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The range I go to calls 5 minutes to cease fire. Then 1 minute to cease fire (use this time to unload and open your action, shoot your last round) and get behind the red lines.

Then the RM walks down and makes sure the actions are all open on all the firearms and calls clear you may proceed to post/take down targets. When everyones done the field is walked down and made sure its clear and calls the line is hot. I am not sure if they will kick us out for touching something but they will yell at you to get behind the line unless you are out posting.

Thats how every range I've been to does it. BntBrl hit it...the reason I've been told is just that. If your downrange changeing targets and somebodys fiddiling with their gun, how are you to know what theyre up to???

BntBrl · July 3, 2008, 08:21 AM

I dont want to hijack his thread but once I saw a guy, while the line was hot and people were shooting, start to walk out out to put his target up. I yelled at him to stop and yelled cease fire, I didnt hink the guy knew what was going on or either was a little loopy. He looked at me kinda wierd, like, are you yelling at me? I gfelt awlward yelling at someone like that but I wasnt sure if he knew what was going on or what. I dont understand why a sane person would walk 100 yards down a field that 20 people are shooting down.

I looked at some range brass yesterday at the range in the bucket. Theres mostly, and usually, 9mm luger, 357 mag, 44 mag, and .45acp. There is seldmon anything else, other than the rimfires. THe rimfires get swept to the edge of the concrete and dont usually get put in the brass bucket.

Theres also usually a lot of the casings with the berdan primers. What material are those non brass casings made from. I think they were blazer or cci right off.

gandog56 · July 3, 2008, 06:45 PM

Blazer is one use aluminum, and cannot be reloaded. A lot of milsurp is mild steel, and can be reloaded, but is too much a pain.

June 29, 2008, 12:10 PM	#1
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 979	My My, Some People Are Wasteful My last range trip I was on the Pistol section. When I looked down at the ground imagine my shock when I saw the ground was littered with BIG cartridge cases. I ended up scooping up 54 .454 Casull, 48 .45 Colt, and 102 .44 magnum cases. The funny thing is, I own all three calibers, but didn't bring one of them this trip. There were probably a lot more, but even big cases are hard to find in grass and gravel. Wish I could afford to buy storebought rounds and just toss them......still wouldn't do it, but it would be nice if I could afford to. __________________ Some people think I'm paranoid because I have guns. If I have guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

June 29, 2008, 07:32 PM	#6
GP100man Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2007 Location: Tabor City , NC. Posts: 1,969	droppings??? i`ll have to carry some disposable gloves next time i go to the range , for as sure as i breath i`ll find sumtin in the cans or on the ground!!!!!! GP100man

June 29, 2008, 07:34 PM	#7
Hook686 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2005 Location: USA The Great State of California Posts: 2,090	How do you determine how many times they have been reload, fired, trimmed ? __________________ Hook686 When the number of people in institutions reaches 51%, we change sides.

June 30, 2008, 03:51 PM	#9
amamnn Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2006 Location: WA, the left armpit of the USA Posts: 1,323	Me, I pick up all my brass and recycle it after I figure it is about done for. I shoot with a few people who leave it on the ground when they figure it's about done for. I also have a friend who regularly picks up range brass. He's had a lot of failures. (to me more than 2 is a lot) You can check rifle brass easily for incipient head septation, but as far as I know there is no reliable test for handgun case split. __________________ "If the enemy is in range, so are you." - Infantry Journal

June 30, 2008, 09:04 PM	#10
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,943	AW c'mon; you know that factory ammo has some kind of primer sealant so look at the primers! If they have the red or black sealant on the primer then they probably are once fired. Face it, if the guy/gal has the money to buy one or more of those handcannons, then he/she has the money to buy new stuff. Too bad they don't know about handloading; they will be posting here soon enough wanting all the dope on how to reload those shells, and we all get the chance to fill their skull full of mush with all our expertise! __________________ If you want your children to follow in your footsteps, be careful where you walk. Beware the man that only owns one gun; he probably knows how to use it. I just hope my ship comes in before my dock rots.

June 29, 2008, 12:13 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Some people can afford to shoot like that. Just thank your lucky star you were the one to find them.

June 29, 2008, 12:29 PM	#3
tplumeri Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2007 Posts: 1,919	At my range you have to pick up your cases. take em home or toss em in one of the five plastic buckets for others to use. all "members" have access to the brass, first come...... works out pretty good.

June 29, 2008, 01:51 PM	#4
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Good for you,,,, but. Look for pressure signs. Our range also requires you to pick up your own brass. There are a lot of times when I shoot my Contender in 44 mag that I use new brass and its one gun that I load to earth shattering pressures, were talking above book numbers. I know the loads and I know the gun and I feel safe doing this,,, BUT I do it with new and only use them once then throw them away. I throw them away at the range so that I don’t accidentally get them home and reload them again. The good thing about your find is that any one that reloads would not be that lazy to just let them lie. My guess is that you have *range pig* droppings,,, good for you.

June 30, 2008, 09:22 PM	#11
bhannah Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2008 Posts: 188	Funny Funny how you never find 22-250 brass at the range.... should have gotten that .223 lol......

June 30, 2008, 10:11 PM	#12
mikenbarb Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 1,111	Range brass Where I shoot, They fill up 55 gal. drums and sell it as scrap. Im in the works of buying it from the guy and will see what pans out. I will have LOTS of brass if it works out. __________________ Mike B. Gun control= Being able to hit your target. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pifinnercircle

July 1, 2008, 06:15 PM	#13
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Come on guys you have to know what range pig droppings are. You know the type. They go to the range and rut around and let crap lie all over the place. Parts of targets, pop bottles and brass. RANGE PIG DROPPINGS.:barf: You can’t miss them. They take up two or more benches. Bother you with dumb questions when you’re trying to sight in a gun. Set down at their gun and start playing with it while others are down range fixing targets when the flag is down. Range pigs. They wait until every one is done fixing there targets and are seconds from opening the range and “Oh wait, I got to change my targets!” Then takes time to go back to the truck and get more. I’m sure you have all met range pigs at one time or another.

July 1, 2008, 06:49 PM	#14
CPTMurdoc30 Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2008 Location: Stafford VA Posts: 969	It is only the jerks shooting thousands upon thousands of 7.62x39 or 223 wolf ammo that really leave any on my range. It drives me up the wall too as I am the one who goes out and spends 8 hours on the range and only gets to shoot for 2 of them. Range pigs are wortless and piss me the he() off. I do luck out and get some 9mm or 40smtih brass every now and then. __________________ Solving Virginia's Ground Hog problems 50gr at a time.....

July 1, 2008, 07:44 PM	#15
Peter M. Eick Senior Member Join Date: August 3, 1999 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,991	You should come to my range here in Houston. We commonly will have brass piled a few inches deep after a long weekend. There is so much brass out there I have trouble sorting mine from all of the rest. If you have never been to a big public range like ASC it is really hard to appreciate how much brass gets flung out there by the public. __________________ 10mm and 357sig, the best things to come along since the 38 super!

July 1, 2008, 08:45 PM	#16
GP100man Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2007 Location: Tabor City , NC. Posts: 1,969	range ethics yep been there seen that, i sit & watch a few min before breakin out the gear if any pigs around & especially if he fiddles with firearms while the range is cold i just mosy around in the shop a few , if they are still there i go to da house!!! GP100man

July 1, 2008, 08:48 PM	#17
Lavid2002 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2007 Posts: 2,568	Am I rich enough to do that? No...but I used to before I knew to reload! now I scope for em! :P Mr I shoot synder blocks and like it when gun go bang proboably doesnt even know about reloading. Thanks for the fresh .223! :P __________________ Math>Grammar

July 1, 2008, 09:20 PM	#18
mikenbarb Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 1,111	Not the range I shoot at. Most cases on the ground and in cans are once fired brass from all caliber guns. Dont know why, But most shooters are hunters here and very few of them reload. Its proably because of limited access to components at sport shops in North Jersey. I Havnt seen a can of powder or a box of bullets in about 20 years in the stores I shop at(all in the area). Im glad to find what I find and I hope they just keep on shooting and leave it on the ground for me. My kids get a kick out of going around after it closes(with owners permission) and picking up the cases on the ground. Most of them are gotten by the range officers first but sometimes we beat them to it and they dont make it into their scrap barrels. I tell them to get the long ones first then go for the short ones and put them in seperate pails. __________________ Mike B. Gun control= Being able to hit your target. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pifinnercircle

July 1, 2008, 10:24 PM	#19
Ed the Rangerat Member Join Date: November 19, 2007 Location: NorCal Posts: 15	Where I shoot rifle and pistol you are only allowed to pick up your own brass. They will yell at you on the PA if they see you picking up other than your own. Yelled at a regular on my last visit. There is brass laying all over the place.

July 3, 2008, 12:27 AM	#22
BntBrl Member Join Date: June 8, 2008 Posts: 95	My range is action opened, and behind the line, unless you are going to post/take down a target. I can see where it may make it more safe to walk down range and post. Maybe someone will not see or pay attention tothe cease fire and start shooting or something. The range I go to calls 5 minutes to cease fire. Then 1 minute to cease fire (use this time to unload and open your action, shoot your last round) and get behind the red lines. Then the RM walks down and makes sure the actions are all open on all the firearms and calls clear you may proceed to post/take down targets. When everyones done the field is walked down and made sure its clear and calls the line is hot. I am not sure if they will kick us out for touching something but they will yell at you to get behind the line unless you are out posting. I dont mind following the rules. The only thing that bugs me is deer in the field that we have to call a cease fire to clear the deer.

July 3, 2008, 08:21 AM	#24
BntBrl Member Join Date: June 8, 2008 Posts: 95	I dont want to hijack his thread but once I saw a guy, while the line was hot and people were shooting, start to walk out out to put his target up. I yelled at him to stop and yelled cease fire, I didnt hink the guy knew what was going on or either was a little loopy. He looked at me kinda wierd, like, are you yelling at me? I gfelt awlward yelling at someone like that but I wasnt sure if he knew what was going on or what. I dont understand why a sane person would walk 100 yards down a field that 20 people are shooting down. I looked at some range brass yesterday at the range in the bucket. Theres mostly, and usually, 9mm luger, 357 mag, 44 mag, and .45acp. There is seldmon anything else, other than the rimfires. THe rimfires get swept to the edge of the concrete and dont usually get put in the brass bucket. Theres also usually a lot of the casings with the berdan primers. What material are those non brass casings made from. I think they were blazer or cci right off.

July 3, 2008, 06:45 PM	#25
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Mobile, Alabama Posts: 979	Blazer is one use aluminum, and cannot be reloaded. A lot of milsurp is mild steel, and can be reloaded, but is too much a pain. __________________ Some people think I'm paranoid because I have guns. If I have guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?