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November 23, 2008, 08:01 PM | #51 |
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The title of this thread is confusing.
1. The anti's are not your friends. 2. If an anti IS your friend, refer back to rule #1. Daryl |
November 23, 2008, 08:40 PM | #52 |
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Tell you r Friend Bambi ended up in some hunter's wife's Cooking pot. and God Gave us Dominon over beasts to make sure they didnt get out of hand. ever met a liberal bear? i havent
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Like I said before,
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As previously stated this line of thought is not isolated to Europe. We have an increasing anti sentiment right here in the "good ole US of A". Pahoo`s acts(thoughts) of education sure beats just cutting someone off. Isn`t educating people about guns a tool we all use to show them our views on guns. Granted alot will never change but if you can convert one, its worth it. PS, I`ve fed my none hunting, killing a deer is terrible in-laws venison whenever I get a chance. They`ve eaten more than they know.
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Those who think all Europeans are anti gun and anti hunting are as ignorant of some of the Europeans who think all Americans are murderers for hunting and teaching their children to be bloodthirsty killers.
Stupidity is Stupidity, from the left or the right. Personally I have been to Europe several times for work. I enjoy Switzerland in October and November as it is game season. I normally come back bloated from many meals featuring wild boar, pheasant, venison, and just about every other type of game which can be taken. Most of these are prepared in old restaurants where trophies are on display. One of my hotels in particular and more trophies from Africa than I could shake a stick at displayed along with the firearms and was also two doors down from the gun shop where the owner let me handle several arms. I bought several pocket knives from him as gifts for people at home. On top of that experience our facility over there has an annual rifle shoot where plenty of full auto arms show up given they are all kept at home as part of their army. Now there are certainly ignorant people in Europe with regards to shooting and hunting. I also would wager that in the "western" European nations the percentage of them is higher than it is here. It is outright ignorance though to claim that all in Europe are leftist, anti gun and anti hunting. The most conservative people I know there are actually in France and are pro gun, completely against the spread of Islamic Extremism and very anti-socialist...
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The trouble is that when you get any sort of shared cultural delusion going, whether it is "we can stay high and sit on the couch all the time without consequences" or "the government owes us all a living" or "hunting is bad" you're only one person telling them the truth but they have a hundred or a million friends reinforcing the delusion. Sorry, but the only thing which will change this mindset is going to be famine or flood or war or something else horrible. Pray that its not another holocaust.
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Many of our ancestors didn't think it was immoral to kill and eat, as you put it, but by no means all. The Jain religion believes that eating meat is an unecessary violence upon the world. Many Buddhists and Hindus agree. Even for those who ate meat, though, it had a lot more significance than the modern quick trip to McDonalds. It's custom in many Native American tribes, after a successful hunt, to give thanks to the animal for its sacrifice. Kosher and halal laws dictate that certain animals are unclean, and prohibit their consumption; those that are allowed must be killed in certain humane ways. It's important not to take food for granted; it's important to understand what it means. Hunting is a return to that. Have you ever held off the trigger to let an animal grow, or do you just blast the first one you see? Would you shoot a wild sow trailing piglets, or would you leave it so there are more to hunt next year? The hunter necessarily recognizes the violence involved and decides upon its morality. I don't know about you, but I think that's a more-ethical position than unthinking consumption.
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All's I know is our pilgrim ancestors were some starvin' sunz-a-bucks 'til them NATIVES showed up with some corn and wild turkey, likely venison too...
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Personally I think every human when born has a natural urge to hunt but if not taught the right way they do not understand or cultivate their abilities to learn how to hunt right so they end up losing what was natural in the first place. I would guess they then turn into what we would call a anti if they end up around the wrong kind of people or they could end up in a much worst stage in life just simply wanting to control others like most Democrats that are elected.
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I couldn't take it anymore, this was the last straw, when I kept pointing out that she ate meat & Foie Gras (where the geese are force fed till their livers bloat to 10x normal size):
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I would love to be a fly on their wall when they dig into a smoked ham and halfway thru it they learn that the hog was run, stopped, bayed by currs and caught by bulldogs...
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hogdog, never mind being there when they carve into it...I wanna be there when that actual hunt is going on!!
peetzakilla: she is in Ireland, so she's gone for the night...won't be back till tomorrow. either way it doesn't really matter; I have realized she is just like all other animal rights nuts. I.E. she can't defend her position with a single scientific or logical point, she never answers a challenge to do so, she doesn't see her own actions as equivalent to or "worse" than hunting, and she brushes off science and logic and replaces it with emotion. In other words, she's mentally incapable of logical & rational thought, and thinks others are wrong for their logical views. Scary, man....very scary.
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I guarantee you the next response you get will be shock at how emotional you have gotten about this whole thing.
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Musketeer has a valid point! Look at what peta has said to our kids in OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS about their parents who hunt!!! As a small boy I was a bit crass, not too PC and quick to speak my mind... ( I BET THAT IS A SHOCKER HUH) had them nut jobs come in there saying those things to my 2nd or 3rd grade class I would have burped a good venison belch and proceeded to give them my opinion of bambi, thumper and all the rest of them tasty critters. I may have even been a bit "acidic" as they are speaking of those who meant the most to me!
My Gramps may have been a drunk but my memories of that are minuscule compared to times in the ice shanty spearing pike, sitting next to him on the snow while he put the crosshairs on a buck and barked one off from that winny 94... Actually I still get a knot in my throat at those memories! They are whole heartedly invited to KMA and GTFO!!! Brent |
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this may be slightly off key, but who is going to save the plants? can you imagine the pain that these living things go through when they are just plucked from there environment and brutally chopped up and devoured by some mindless human who has no respect for God or nature... i cant even fathom the amount sap and plant matter on the hands of those vegan killers...........
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Adrian you confuse ethics with morals. I may choose to pass on a small buck to harvest him a few years later or pass on a sow with piglets in tow for similar reasons.
I may pass on a bad shot or shot angle etc. but it is due to my ethical thought process, not morals. Ethically, a bad shot causes me and other hunters a wasted harvest or worse a shot with questionable background. A good clean shot on an animal, I wish to harvest is always my intent. No, I don't blast everything that moves in the woods. Thanks for the implication, but wrong guy. Yes, I have and do pass on game more than I shoot due to choice. I choose to utilize my tag on a mature animal and may pass on lesser for that reason. Not because it is morally wrong to harvest a button buck or yearling, but because it is a choice to let them grow bigger to fill more pots. I have taken 4 new hunters to the deer woods this year. Two 10 year old boys and their dad, and later a cousin. One boy shot a doe.(opening day of youth season) The other shot a 5 point.(2 days later in the same stand) Dad harvested a doe a few weeks later with me using a muzzleloader for the first hunt. (spot and stalk) I put him and his cousin (13) in a double man leaning stand 3 days ago. They watched does all morning waiting on a buck. No harvest yet, but he is hooked. Morally, I feel like I did a great thing. I enjoy being in the woods on the hunt. If I pass early season shots, it may be for that reason also.
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I do not shoot everything that walks... I never shoot a spotted fawn or a button buck as a buck. I will shoot a button as a doe during that portion. I rather not shoot a bruiser as it is likely to be harsher in flavor than a youngster.
As for a sow with piglets... If there is a sustained population in the area a nursing piglet can nurse on other mothers with milk. They routinely care for each other's young. Since a pig is a pig, my dogs have wiped out many young pigs when the adults give them the slip by running thru a gob of little ones. But My source of hunting permission is double edged as I am there to remove a nuisance anyway. we have cooked 12-20 pounders often and that is some tender tasty pork. As for deer, small is fine and I am after quantity to fill freezers and not just mine. But I don't care for tracking gut shot deer so I try for DRT shots. Clean, ethical kill but morals are, IMHO, something left 'tween humans or regarding obscene perversions... Brent |
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I'm not saying that violence is unnecessary, if you'll actually read my post, only that it should never be taken lightly. People can decide where they draw their lines of comfortable violence, but it's delusional (at best) to condemn something that you pay others to do for your pleasure. I think most people here can agree with that. I'm not even sure what Desertfox is reading into my post anymore. I get the feeling that we're talking across each other, and if someone can explain to me what he thinks I'm saying, I'll be happy to address it.
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Ethics: a: a set of moral principles : a theory or system of moral values Morals: a: moral practices or teachings : modes of conduct b: ethics Same: 1 a: resembling in every relevant respect b: conforming in every respect —used with as 2 a: being one without addition, change, or discontinuance : identical b: being the one under discussion or already referred to 3: corresponding so closely as to be indistinguishable
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I've a number of friends from Europe. Many are gunnies. None are antis. I don't have friends who are anti-hunting or anti-firearms. Personally, if some woman said such to me and we were on a date, I'd take her home and she would never hear from me again.
I was on a first date with a young lady one night and the talk came to firearms. She didn't know at the time just how strong my interest in guns was or that I carry. She made the remark early on that guns were not allowed in her home. I immediately, politely, but flatly replied,"Then I will never cross the threshhold into your home." She invited me inside at the end of the evening. I told her that I was carrying a pistol and that I would always be carrying a pistol. She told me to come in anyway and the issue was never raised again. With many people remarks such as hers are merely kneejerk responses and are not deeply held principles. Now she never became a shooter or hunter and the relationship eventually withered on the vine. But guns or hunting were never an issue again. Sometimes a blunt 'I hunt and shoot, will always hunt and shoot...if you cannot accept this then we need to part ways' is the best way to handle these people. Let them know right at the beginning that your position is firm and unyielding. |
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Oh, it gets even better, guys...
She again tried to brush it off and said she was being diplocatic all along, and I let her have it again.
BUT that's nothing. She later told me that a black friend of hers from the UK said that I belong in the KKK!! Check it out: HER: Quote:
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She's crazy.
Though I do find your discussion of God-given rights interspersed with using said Gods name in profane ways to be interesting... but that's another topic.
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peetzakilla: Eh, I'm from NY, what do you expect?
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